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Sci-Hub as Necessary, Effective Civil Disobedience

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Re: Sci-Hub as Necessary, Effective Civil Disobedience

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I wonder if closed-access publishing is part of why academia seems so insluated from the "real world". People write for their audience, and if the general public can't read academic papers, then academics are going to write as if only other academics are reading. Likewise, if research output is difficult to access, the feedback loop between ideas and implementation is broken; folks outside academia can't easily comme…

I need to say this carefully. Some things can't be written for a general audience. It can not be distilled that much. That isn't to suggest that citizen scientists should be discouraged, just that some things are actually pretty difficult to explain and to grasp. To be very clear, I support open publishing. I just feel obligated to point out that most of the general public isn't going to understand and it isn't ever…

> Some things can't be written for a general audience. It can not be distilled that much.

The fact that things cannot be written for a general audience doesn't mean that we need to limit access to information which cannot be understood by a general audience.

Re: Sci-Hub as Necessary, Effective Civil Disobedience

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Slightly off-topic: I downloaded the same file both directly from IEEE and sci-hub and the checksum did not match. I am a bit worried that sci-hub is/will be used to spread malware.

It would be interesting to diff the files. Quite a few journals put obvious tracking tags on the downloaded PDFs.

Re: Sci-Hub as Necessary, Effective Civil Disobedience

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Worth noting: Many authors will be happy to email you a copy of their paper. People understand that not everyone's library can pay the hundreds of thousands needed for subscription fees. Research Gate has this functionality built in. Also, everyone likes to be cited :) Being easy to circumvent is a big reason why these for profit journals still exist.

1. Many of the authors I'm interested in are dead. The paywall dates to 1924.

2. I've had authors claim they don't have right (or copies) of works. Mind, one of those is a well-known idiot, but still.

Friction reduction of Sci-Hub is amazing.

http://copyright.cornell.edu/resources/publicdomain.cfm

Re: Sci-Hub as Necessary, Effective Civil Disobedience

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I need to say this carefully. Some things can't be written for a general audience. It can not be distilled that much. That isn't to suggest that citizen scientists should be discouraged, just that some things are actually pretty difficult to explain and to grasp. To be very clear, I support open publishing. I just feel obligated to point out that most of the general public isn't going to understand and it isn't ever…

> Some things can't be written for a general audience. It can not be distilled that much. The fact that things cannot be written for a general audience doesn't mean that we need to limit access to information which cannot be understood by a general audience.

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I was clear that I support open publishing.

Re: Sci-Hub as Necessary, Effective Civil Disobedience

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If Elsevier and others want to keep their monopolies they need to justify the following: How it is possible that they take: - free labor (reviews done by scientists) - free content (articles created by government money mostly) Then they magically become owners of that content and are permitted by society to charge obscene amount of money. Also fuck you and your ignorance, that is why we cannot have nice things.

See also: WestLaw[1] and, in opposition, Carl Malamud[2]. 1. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/West_Publishing_Co._v._Mead_D... . 2. http://www.usglassmag.com/2016/01/cases-shed-light-on-copyri...

NB, your Wikisource reference doesn't hit any specific document.

Re: Sci-Hub as Necessary, Effective Civil Disobedience

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I wonder if closed-access publishing is part of why academia seems so insluated from the "real world". People write for their audience, and if the general public can't read academic papers, then academics are going to write as if only other academics are reading. Likewise, if research output is difficult to access, the feedback loop between ideas and implementation is broken; folks outside academia can't easily comme…

In my experience, academia seems insulated from the "real world", because specialization has increased and (maybe) also the overall scientific literacy in the population has decreased. I might be wrong about the second point, but the first one alone suffices to explain this perception. Even for scientists it has gotten harder to follow what's going on in neighboring disciplines.

In a nutshell, science has become more complicated and generally requires much harder math than it used to. Case in point: Almost everyone can learn the basics of Newtonian Mechanics or Special Relativity, but understanding the basics of String Theory is much, much harder. Our scientific knowledge has grown immensely.

That being said, your implicit assumption seems odd to me. The "general public" was probably never able to read and understand academic papers and folks outside academia never were able to easily comment on cutting edge work at any time in history. (Except for a few very gifted outliers maybe.)

Re: Sci-Hub as Necessary, Effective Civil Disobedience

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If you don't minD telling us, how do we send her money to support her?

http://sci-hub.cc/ lists a bitcoin address for donations

Thanks. I was looking for something like that. Are we certain that the .cc subdomain is under her control?

Re: Sci-Hub as Necessary, Effective Civil Disobedience

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So long as we're looking at intellectual property, and arguments against it: An online book by UCLA economics professors Michele Boldrin and Mark Levine, making the case against intellectual property -- patents, and copyright most especially. The opening chapter leads off with the patent battles of James Watt, which are credited by some authors with setting back the start date of the Industrial Revolution from 1769,…

Interesting reads. Thanks for sharing them with us.

Re: Sci-Hub as Necessary, Effective Civil Disobedience

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Slightly off-topic: I downloaded the same file both directly from IEEE and sci-hub and the checksum did not match. I am a bit worried that sci-hub is/will be used to spread malware.

Was the version of the paper the same?

Same version, different checksums.

As new299 mentioned, this could be due to watermarking.

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