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Sci-Hub as Necessary, Effective Civil Disobedience

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Re: Sci-Hub as Necessary, Effective Civil Disobedience

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Post by TeMPOraL »

_lm_ wrote: post #31
pks016 wrote: post #29

Related to this, I have one question. Suppose one is going to write a paper and he need to add a reference of another paper which he has got from Sci-hub. So is there any check or any sorts of things of originality of reference paper ? (I don't know exactly how publishing works)

It doesn't matter how you get a copy of the paper; the citation is the same either way. Plenty of academics have been passing around PDF copies of papers their libraries don't buy access to for years before this!

Also relatively recently though probably pre-SciHub, #ICanHazPDF hashtag was widely used on Twitter to request a paper from whoever happens to have access to it.

Re: Sci-Hub as Necessary, Effective Civil Disobedience

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Post by Grue3 »

mirimir wrote: post #47
Grue3 wrote: post #38

She is a [redacted] Putin supporter. Supports Russian invasion of Ukraine as well. Hell, the whole thing is probably financed by Russian government. "Folk hero", my ass.

Any support for Russia and Putin are orthogonal to her work with Sci-Hub. But given that you brought it up, I gotta say that broad support for Putin is entirely understandable. Russia has been through hell. Millions killed during WWII. Bankrupted by the Cold War. Humiliated after the collapse of the Soviet Union. To many Russians, he is a hero.

Yeah and Germans' support for Hitler is understandable after WW1 and Weimar Republic but that doesn't not make them goddamn nazis. I'm Russian and I have the conscience to oppose my government's actions, so why can't she?

Re: Sci-Hub as Necessary, Effective Civil Disobedience

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Post by codesnik »

mirimir wrote: post #47
Grue3 wrote: post #38

She is a [redacted] Putin supporter. Supports Russian invasion of Ukraine as well. Hell, the whole thing is probably financed by Russian government. "Folk hero", my ass.

Any support for Russia and Putin are orthogonal to her work with Sci-Hub. But given that you brought it up, I gotta say that broad support for Putin is entirely understandable. Russia has been through hell. Millions killed during WWII. Bankrupted by the Cold War. Humiliated after the collapse of the Soviet Union. To many Russians, he is a hero.

s/Russia/Germany/ && s/Putin/(I'm terribly sorry, really)/ To the hell with understanding that.

Re: Sci-Hub as Necessary, Effective Civil Disobedience

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Post by Brede »

aaron-lebo wrote: post #20
nsaslideface wrote: post #16

It is rare that true heroism can be framed as a catchy story. Those working for campaign finance reform is another example. People who fight "David-like" against these Goliaths are doing extremely radical work, and they will be canonized in the coming centuries. They don't get the semi-celebrity of Snowden or Ellsberg in the present day because they lack the whistleblower story of one person verses the full power of…

"True heroism" is raising your kid well because it's the right thing to do even though nobody except your kid and maybe grandkid will ever know what you did. These people have gotten their acknowledgments (as they should), let's not act like they are nobodies in the shadow of history. You're reading about them on HN precisely because media knows who they are. How many people have documentaries made about them after t…

The default is to raise your kids well, anything else is subpar.

Re: Sci-Hub as Necessary, Effective Civil Disobedience

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Post by vixen99 »

onikolas wrote: post #40

Worth noting: Many authors will be happy to email you a copy of their paper. People understand that not everyone's library can pay the hundreds of thousands needed for subscription fees. Research Gate has this functionality built in. Also, everyone likes to be cited :) Being easy to circumvent is a big reason why these for profit journals still exist.

'Many authors will be happy to email you a copy of their paper'. Posting the requested copy was the rule in the '60s and earlier. This could lead to impressive stamp collections. I wonder if Dr. Lowry took up philately. Most cited paper of all time - Protein Measurement with the Folin Phenol Reagent (Lowry, O. H., Rosebrough, N. J., Farr, A. L., and Randall, R. J. (1951) J. Biol. Chem.193, 265–275)

Re: Sci-Hub as Necessary, Effective Civil Disobedience

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Post by mtgx »

Why isn't Google allowing the Sci-Hub extension in its Chrome store?

This is why it sucks to have app stores and walled gardens. The vendors effectively become censorship agents for states. And Microsoft wants to take us in the same direction with Windows 10 S.

Re: Sci-Hub as Necessary, Effective Civil Disobedience

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Post by vertex-four »

_lm_ wrote: post #34

I wonder if closed-access publishing is part of why academia seems so insluated from the "real world". People write for their audience, and if the general public can't read academic papers, then academics are going to write as if only other academics are reading. Likewise, if research output is difficult to access, the feedback loop between ideas and implementation is broken; folks outside academia can't easily comme…

When I have seen non-academic people latch on to academic papers (usually for political purposes), they've generally entirely misinterpreted them anyway. To the point of believing that the paper states the opposite of what it does, or even believing that the paper says something that it's explicitly stated it can't say.

Fact of the matter is... few people have any incentive to read academic papers in general, and often cannot understand the language or formats used.

Re: Sci-Hub as Necessary, Effective Civil Disobedience

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Post by mirimir »

Grue3 wrote: post #52
mirimir wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any support for Russia and Putin are orthogonal to her work with Sci-Hub. But given that you brought it up, I gotta say that broad support for Putin is entirely understandable. Russia has been through hell. Millions killed during WWII. Bankrupted by the Cold War. Humiliated after the collapse of the Soviet Union. To many Russians, he is a hero.

Yeah and Germans' support for Hitler is understandable after WW1 and Weimar Republic but that doesn't not make them goddamn nazis. I'm Russian and I have the conscience to oppose my government's actions, so why can't she?

Yes, it's all understandable. I'm not saying that I support Putin. Maybe he's an oligarch, or a nazi, or whatever. But I don't have a problem reconciling any support that she may have for him with her Sci-Hub work.

Re: Sci-Hub as Necessary, Effective Civil Disobedience

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Post by wolfgke »

FabHK wrote: post #30
tacomonstrous wrote: post #5

In my experience as a mathematician, most for profit journal publishing companies are essentially rentiers making money off a captive clientele, who don't even get much utility any more from them, except for access to some older articles. Moreover, the services they provide to authors are also usually worse than the non-profit journals: no copy editing, crappy editorial tools, just a complete disregard for the actual…

Ceterum censeo Elsevier esse delendum.

Beside Reed-Elsevier also Springer, Wiley-Blackwell, Taylor & Francis and Sage.

Re: Sci-Hub as Necessary, Effective Civil Disobedience

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Post by manquer »

mtgx wrote: post #56

Why isn't Google allowing the Sci-Hub extension in its Chrome store? This is why it sucks to have app stores and walled gardens. The vendors effectively become censorship agents for states. And Microsoft wants to take us in the same direction with Windows 10 S.

I wouldn't call chrome a walled garden, it is just curated list, if you don't like it you don't have to use the "store" . You can still install the extension without the store. There are plenty of extensions they reject and you can download, same for android(for ex:F-droid). You can maintain your own curated list in your own app store. Google will get sued if they allow listing in the store.
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