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Easiest Path to Riches on the Web? An Initial Coin Offering

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#141

I'm sorry but this is so absurd. They are doing the equivalent of printing their own monopoly money in the garage and then selling it for real currency... dollars.

Blockchain is perhaps the most economically important invention of the last 500 years. Right now the whole space is worth less than $100B, and it's going to be worth tens or hundreds of trillions of dollars. Obviously valuations have far outpaced the present usefulness of these technologies, but because the pie is so enormous it would be irrational not to overpay. Right now prices are too out-of-whack with reality so…

This kind of starry eyed delusional exaggeration is why btc/eth/ico, etc. are seen with suspicion in places like HN. Blockchains is an area of active research, they are nowhere near the most important thing in any amount of time, for now they are just promising, time will tell how far they get. But even the marriage of this promise to current early implementations like bitcoin/eth is pure lunacy. People are getting mad on get-rich-quick schemes and price speculation, not on the promise of the technology. At this point we should be starting over every 3 months and dropping and experimenting all over the place, not tying billions of dollars on early adopter versions and spending years in internal wars when the inevitable need for improvement and evolution happens.

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I claim it can be +EV even when it's a punt. Suppose you make 3x on your first bet, as I did - and it's a long story why i settled for such a poor return ;) - you can then "invest" 2/3 of your winnings, and even if it all goes to nothing then you've still broken even. But in the current climate a 0% return seems, at least for now, unlikely.... (In the interests of even-handedness: Preston J Byrne, quoted in the artic…

Winning your first bet doesn't make the others +EV even if you cash out your initial investment. That's not how EV works.

Yes, you're right, sorry.

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#143
>the inability to control people.

What's horrifying is people thinking like that. We live in societies with rules, with laws that we have agreed upon, and are, for the most part, fair. These same laws and this same governement protects you, gives you at least some basic services. And you're advocating for not holding up your end of the bargain, and removing one big part of the punishment for not holding it up.

To people advocating that, then I can only hope that since your money cannot be taken away, then more of your freedom will. For the good of all of us.

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post #80

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Amazon Coins? (I'm only half joking)

I would not terribly surprised... I already have an Amazon Chase credit card that gives me significantly more cash back for Amazon purchases. I don't think Amazon is planning on a standing army or navy yet, however

Armies and navies are the past, drone fleets are the future.

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#146
post #47

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It's funny you should mention Webvan. In 1999 grocery delivery was a hot market, then in 2002 it was completely and obviously stupid, now in 2017 it's hot again. Cryptocurrency is a bubble now, but will the world change such that it actually makes sense in 20 years?

Its still obviously stupid. The difference this time is there is a new niche that places like Whole Foods serve. They're not in the 'food' business so much as the 'whole food / wellness' business. These people will pay a premium that warrants delivery.

I've been having groceries delivered from the internet pretty much continuously for the past 15 years or so across 3 countries and a half dozen services. What is stupid about grocery delivery?

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post #100

Can someone in the know shed some light on why does every project need its own currency?! Why isn't a standard coin like BTC or eth good enough?

Why does every company need its own stock certificates? It's a token representing ownership.

ICOs almost universally don't represent ownership.

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#148
So this is like buying food vouchers that I can redeem at a store that hasn't yet been built, if indeed it has been given planning permission and even if it does eventually get built, I have no idea how the service and product will taste. And I can't then report any irregularities.

Ponzi? No. Unregulated gambling? Of course.

Sign me up!

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post #130

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I hope that instead of slinging mud at ICOs, the YC community reaches out to firms like yours. Calling them all scams will not stop the next ICO from getting bigger. Note to blockchain-denialists: there are 10s of billions of capital, a deep enough pool for thousands of ICOs. Slinging mud will also not help make ICOs any safer, nor protect financial systems outside of blockchains from collateral damage should firms f…

Cui bono? In a world with ICO crowd funding, the roles of a VC firm like YC is greatly diminished. It's not surprising the buggy whip manufacturer is casting doubt on the dangers of the automobile.

"Role of a VC firm ...greatly diminished" :

In which way is this different that "regular" crowd funding, which doesn't have as bad a reputation as ICO ?

Personally, i'd rather raise "real money", than cyrptocurrencies. The reason why it's easier for those companies to raise millions through cryptocurrencies than regular money raising tools, is probably because there's a bubble.

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