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The secret to a long and healthy life? Eat less

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Re: The secret to a long and healthy life? Eat less

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post #102

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Ramadan is popularly associated with gaining weight, because people tend to binge before dawn and after sunset and are more sedentary than usual. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/world_now/2012/07/cairo-the-...

Middle Eastern cuisine doesn't help either. Most of our food is high in carbs and fats, and we eat a ton of bread!

But that's all the time, not just ramadan.

Re: The secret to a long and healthy life? Eat less

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Good overview of the benefits of calorie restriction, but doesn't touch on two of the most important schools of thought of the past couple years. 1. Calorie restriction is almost impossible for most humans to follow long term 2. Many of the same benefits of calorie restriction may be achievable through intermittent fasting, which is much easier for people to follow. I've been experimenting with a daily 16 hour fast (…

> have seen small improvements in my energy and general well-being FWIW I have moved to eating small meals every 3 hours a few years ago and have seen huge improvements in my energy and general well-being. The most key of those meals is the midnight meal that ensures I wake up full of energy and ready to go. Nutrition is tricky.

This is the direct opposite of IF, fwiw. It may feel better than large meals, but there's no reason to expect similar long term effects.

Re: The secret to a long and healthy life? Eat less

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Do you have any source of proof of any of this? I have no problem waking up at 630am after 7 hours of sleep and not eating anything until after noon. Thinking to premodern humans, do you think they would frequently have food waiting for them as soon as they awoke? Some days maybe, but then other days probably not.

> Do you have any source of proof of any of this? Of course not. There's never been any significant evidence of health benefits from breakfast.

Why the snark? No need for that. There are many studies that show a link between meals, especially breakfast, and our circadian clocks.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4078443/

http://yaledailynews.com/blog/2013/03/05/eating-times-affect...

Here's a HN discussion regarding a Harvard study on the subject, from 7 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=199394

Please provide some evidence that these studies are insignificant and incorrect.

Re: The secret to a long and healthy life? Eat less

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post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Middle Eastern cuisine doesn't help either. Most of our food is high in carbs and fats, and we eat a ton of bread!

But that's all the time, not just ramadan.

But during Ramadan, it's basically all at once. Am I wrong to conclude that more unhealthy food in a shorter time period = more weight problems?

Re: The secret to a long and healthy life? Eat less

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post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ramadan is popularly associated with gaining weight, because people tend to binge before dawn and after sunset and are more sedentary than usual. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/world_now/2012/07/cairo-the-...

Middle Eastern cuisine doesn't help either. Most of our food is high in carbs and fats, and we eat a ton of bread!

But so good. :(

Re: The secret to a long and healthy life? Eat less

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post #52

There is lots of proof now that obesity is not caused by "more calories in than calories out", it is caused by hormone reactions to what you eat (esp. insulin). Just read the books by Gary Taubs for zillions of details and references to studies. So the "eat less" claim in this article is again back to the old MD advice, "eat less and move more". Not going to work if you don't look at your macronutrients.

Both basic rules still apply, we do eat too much and move too little. Of course, if you wish to optimize the diet for the best results it quickly gets much more complicated then just that. However in my personal, purely anecdotal, experience of being severely obese and dieting for years, you don't really need to get in all these biochemistry peculiarities. It's in dieting what a premature optimization is in programming. Instead of obsessing about a new superior diet it's much better to concentrate one's efforts on a self-discipline and building a reasonable life style.

Re: The secret to a long and healthy life? Eat less

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Most articles on eating tend to focus on weight, drawing the conclusion that weight (fat) is the problem, not eating. This article provides a refreshing perspective: > But the latest results suggested that significant health benefits can be garnered in an already healthy body – a person who isn’t underweight or obese. The take away here is that the problem with excessive eating isn't just the weight gain. There's som…

> Restricting calories is good for you even if you're already within a healthy BMI. How much of this study, and your statement, applies to highly active individuals, and atheletes? I box and train 5 - 7 times a week, and spar (high intensity with protective gear) twice a month. I tried restricting calories to lose fat and "lean out" but I find that I am constantly hungry (even after consuming proteins) and like someo…

I'm guessing very little. Most of the time I think that active people are not considered -- that the data is pointed at those who are moderately active (a few gym classes a week, or a few runs).

I've been working on leaning out a while now, but I have the affliction of loving beer and whisky so much... (Canadian).

I work out 5 or 6 days a week for at least an hour in the morning immediately after waking: bike, run, weights, calisthenics. I'm 6 ft, ~210 lbs at present.

I start out with a high protein breakfast, a light lunch, and a high protein supper. I don't snack a lot, but if I do I go for nuts or a little chocolate. As is, I still feel hungry regularly and as is, I am at least a thousand to fifteen-hundred calories below my maintenance requirements.

Did I mention I enjoy my beer? I enjoy regular libation, usually beer and a (one or more) scotch, irish or canadian whisky and yet I'm losing weight at ~2 to 3 lbs a week. That said I very rarely indulge in any junk food, fast food, or overly fatty or carbed meals. So rarely do I eat pasta or potatoes these days. I usually have one slice of bread with breakfast and that's all unless I take a sandwich for lunch -- but I don't make rules out of that either.

I have heard many times over about the benefits of intermittent fasting, but I personally can't be bothered with the attention that fad diets and labeled lifestyles require.

I tried restricting my caloric intake as well, and I found I just had a severe drop in energy and focus when it came to my morning workouts and my daily work.

Just eat your greens people! Go heavy on the spinach.

Re: The secret to a long and healthy life? Eat less

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I checked out the recipes on the iDiet website recommended in the article, and I'm feeling sad and deprived just reading them. I'm willing to suffer for better health, but I'd hate to suffer through a life of egg whites and margarine and then discover in the end that the science was wrong.

>I'd hate to suffer through a life of egg whites and margarine I know this wasn't your point but: I don't think people recommend eating margarine instead of real butter anymore. I won't claim to know if avoiding egg yolks is healthy or not, but many seem to think that dietary cholesterol isn't as bad as once thought.

It's right there in the recipes on the iDiet website, recommended in the article by "Susan Roberts, a dietary scientist at Tufts University". I was surprised too-- I didn't think anyone still believed margarine was healthier than butter, but here it is:

https://www.theidiet.com/food/idiet-recipes/vanilla-spice-co...

And here's their cake made with egg whites, which I imagine is great for crying yourself to sleep while trying to ignore your hunger: https://www.theidiet.com/food/idiet-recipes/idiet-chocolate-...

Re: The secret to a long and healthy life? Eat less

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post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> have seen small improvements in my energy and general well-being FWIW I have moved to eating small meals every 3 hours a few years ago and have seen huge improvements in my energy and general well-being. The most key of those meals is the midnight meal that ensures I wake up full of energy and ready to go. Nutrition is tricky.

This is the direct opposite of IF, fwiw. It may feel better than large meals, but there's no reason to expect similar long term effects.

I know. It has great short term effects tho and as a human, I naturally prefer to optimize for those.

And my pet theory is that most of the effect in energy levels and well being that people get from IF is actually just from being mindful of what they eat for the first time.

Funfact: everyone feels better when they start eating well. Exactly which trick they use to make themselves eat well isn't too important.

All that to say that so far whenever I talked to anyone who's discovered intermittent fasting and said how much more energy they have now than they did before, when asked about their habits before, it's usually something like "Oh I just ate whatever I could find at random times in the day with pretty much no thought given to what I'm doing"

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