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If you think "nazi ideology" or their actions are uniquely horrible, you are either historically illiterate, or so parochial that only their particular victims are of concern to you. History, especially twentieth century history, is a charnel house.
If you think "nazi ideology" or their actions are uniquely horrible, you are either historically illiterate, or so parochial that only their particular victims are of concern to you. History, especially twentieth century history, is a charnel house.
Having played the game, it's just a shoot em up with a goofy story to justify shooting things. Nobody is going to care about it in 10 years. The only reason anyone cares about it now is cause everything is a culture war and complaining on the Internet about games you aren't gonna buy is a great way of fighting it, apparently. I ran into some Holocaust deniers on Reddit a couple of weeks ago. Those people are so far g…
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“They are people who have reached their 40s or 50s and have embraced the internet as it has grown and new platforms have come along. They have moved away from quality newspaper-reading mentality; maybe they’re professionals, some may have degrees, but they are not skilled in assessing sources in history. When you interact with them, you realise that they have no clue as to how we know anything about the past, about how history works, what information is available. They are willing to go along with certain ideas that are summarised for them and simplified in web articles or videos.”
Having played the game, it's just a shoot em up with a goofy story to justify shooting things. Nobody is going to care about it in 10 years. The only reason anyone cares about it now is cause everything is a culture war and complaining on the Internet about games you aren't gonna buy is a great way of fighting it, apparently. I ran into some Holocaust deniers on Reddit a couple of weeks ago. Those people are so far g…
The point of media like this is to activate and motivate people who are ideologically uncommitted and assure of them the facts that Nazism is a dangerous ideology and that it's OK and indeed necessary to oppose it with violence if and when other means are insufficient.
A secondary purpose is to remind would-be Nazis that being a Nazi is hazardous to their health and that any attempts to implement their ideological views in practice will meet with opposition.
Having played the game, it's just a shoot em up with a goofy story to justify shooting things. Nobody is going to care about it in 10 years. The only reason anyone cares about it now is cause everything is a culture war and complaining on the Internet about games you aren't gonna buy is a great way of fighting it, apparently. I ran into some Holocaust deniers on Reddit a couple of weeks ago. Those people are so far g…
The point is not to change minds; people who want to deny, excuse, or revive the holocaust have made their decision to be horrible people and while deradicalization programs should be available to assist people who want to reintegrate into society, you can lead a person to education but you can't make them think. The point of media like this is to activate and motivate people who are ideologically uncommitted and ass…
We've failed at a fundamental level if the grandkids of the victims and survivors of that war don't understand what happened is evil and wrong. It's just hard for me to contextualize a violent game which core purpose is to gun down waves of people as an effective teaching tool.
Is it like after the fifth headshot the kid is gonna sit back and say...I get it...Nazis are bad?
Having played the game, it's just a shoot em up with a goofy story to justify shooting things. Nobody is going to care about it in 10 years. The only reason anyone cares about it now is cause everything is a culture war and complaining on the Internet about games you aren't gonna buy is a great way of fighting it, apparently. I ran into some Holocaust deniers on Reddit a couple of weeks ago. Those people are so far g…
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That's highly questionable. Anyone who has doubts about the historical record is free to research it in depth and engage in scholarship of their own, and even try to make a case to other historians that an error has occurred, as revisionist historian David Irving did for years.
There's a big difference between asking questions like 'how do historians calculate the number of casualties in the Holocaust (or any other historical genocide)?' in good faith, for the purposes of gathering information, and asking questions for the purposes of disputation, a practice commonly known as sealioning although it has its antecedents in forensic debate and the Socratic method.
Rhetorical question whose purpose is to undermine existing historical consensus rather than to gather information is implicitly rehabilitative, and the idea that Nazism is just a regular philosophy that happens to have gotten a bad rap because of being on the losing end of a war is not a legitimate position. I support the German approach of criminalizing Holocaust denial. It doesn't limit free speech, as claimed; for example, Mein Kampf can be and has been republished in Germany, but in a scholarly edition with abundant notes on historical context so that the eliminationist rhetoric can't be peddled without mention of the verifiable consequences that resulted from its implementation.
If you think "nazi ideology" or their actions are uniquely horrible, you are either historically illiterate, or so parochial that only their particular victims are of concern to you. History, especially twentieth century history, is a charnel house.
But Nazism is unique in its combination of rhetoric and scale, and also in its instantiation within a highly developed society - politically, intellectually, culturally, and economically. Authoritarian horrors in less developed countries are still horrific, but it's not really surprising that an authoritarian can take over in a country where low standards of education are the norm and/or the mass of the population exists in grinding poverty and/or where long-standing tribal affiliations are suddenly exposed to drastic technological asymmetries.
Germany was a highly developed society at the leading edge of intellectual and industrial development. Numerous peer societies have also engaged in imperialism, and often in utterly reprehensible ways , but none of them industrialized genocide in quite the same manner that the Nazis did.
>Too often, when we engage in arguments with extremists who talk of racial purity, we falter to explain our side. Instead, we punch them and tell them “because.”
>Nationalism leads to war
So if you see somebody waving a flag, you punch them?
I don't like the "punch them" rhetoric. It's not compatible with free speech. It's way better to combat "racial purity" ideologies (or any other speech) with more speech, with reason and truth than with violence. The second option makes you look like the Gestapo or the NKVD
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The point is not to change minds; people who want to deny, excuse, or revive the holocaust have made their decision to be horrible people and while deradicalization programs should be available to assist people who want to reintegrate into society, you can lead a person to education but you can't make them think. The point of media like this is to activate and motivate people who are ideologically uncommitted and ass…
The point of media like this is to activate and motivate people who are ideologically uncommitted and assure of them the facts that Nazism is a dangerous ideology and that it's OK and indeed necessary to oppose it with violence if and when other means are insufficient. We've failed at a fundamental level if the grandkids of the victims and survivors of that war don't understand what happened is evil and wrong. It's j…
The point is to motivate people to fight against Nazism. The game is not about gunning down waves of random in an enjoyable spree of virtual destruction, but about gunning down Nazis qua proponents of genocide.
What would you think, if you were a someone who survived a concentration camp, to have people consistently claim that the modern-day US is anywhere near as bad? I understand that the US is far from perfect, but we are also not engaging in genocide against our own citizens, and I do not think that there is anything that realistically signals that we ever will.
Really, I guess it boils down to nitpicking over how watered-down the term Nazi has become. Lets not forget what the Nazis actually did.