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The slow death of the electric guitar

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Re: The slow death of the electric guitar

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Post by jacquesm »

agumonkey wrote: post #152
jacquesm wrote: post #127

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Here is a nice one to start with: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmC5P_85vhc

I love the first minute.. a very nice Holdsworthy theme. I like the electronic vibe, kinda like Civilized Evil https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FikOX8KloCk&list=PLzN7jgp6hR... I see Ponty played with drummer Damien Schmitt, do you know this piece by Schmitt and Feraud ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8au2qIcjJVw

I don't know either, thank you! Will listen on headphones later today, on the road now.

Re: The slow death of the electric guitar

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Post by lz400 »

coldtea wrote: post #128
agumonkey wrote: post #114

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Send me names, I'd gladly feed my ears with beyond jazz subtleties. I'm all for the musical experience, as long as it's well done. But to the point, the thread is about mainstream guitar playing going away. So I was talking about mainstream electro. Surely there are deeply satisfying electronic music out there if you dig.

Here are some examples of some classic stuff -- but like anything new, they probably require repeated listenings to get the layers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgzjFCXCA8g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WTxC8wnXQo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnXVIsMimHY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw5AiRVqfqk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7bKe_Zgk4o&index=5&list=RDX... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FGtd3oH_PQ http…

This shows how subjective things are. I'm really into electronic music, or at least was. Some of your links are absolute masterpieces like autechre or aphex twin. Some of the the other trance stuff is so far below in my opinion that don't belong together.

Re: The slow death of the electric guitar

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Post by larrydag »

wvh wrote: post #126

My generation, the last of generation X, probably wanted to express existential angst with loud music such as altern rock and metal – music centered around distorted guitars. Metal took more hopeful '50s and '60s guitar music and turned it into darkness and despair, just like the hippie philosophy and in a way the general world view did. The millennial generation – my younger brother – clearly follows a different pat…

It reminds me a lot of the 80's when synths and keyboards took center stage for a little while. Yet guitar never really died during that time. Guitar is still around its just not center stage.

Re: The slow death of the electric guitar

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Post by larrydag »

kochthesecond wrote: post #160
wvh wrote: post #126

My generation, the last of generation X, probably wanted to express existential angst with loud music such as altern rock and metal – music centered around distorted guitars. Metal took more hopeful '50s and '60s guitar music and turned it into darkness and despair, just like the hippie philosophy and in a way the general world view did. The millennial generation – my younger brother – clearly follows a different pat…

I would also argue metal was never mainstream. The mainstream was always further takes on pop, which to an increasing degree draws from all the others innovating, if in a moderately expressed way. Listen to mainstream popular music now and you can often find some of the intensity extreme metal explored.

I have to agree that metal was never mainstream. I always looked at metal as an evolution of punk.

Re: The slow death of the electric guitar

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Post by VLM »

3327 wrote: post #13

rock n' roll will never die as Neil Young put it. Its just taking a break and going to hell to reorganize. Rock is here to stay and is out of fashion now but the cycle will come back and just like clothing fashion 20-30 years from now a new wave will happen.

Speaking of 20-30 years, you get peak revenue off collectibles and aspiration-ables about 40 years out, notice how we're at "peak star wars" right now? You can predict 80s home computers and early video games are also going to peak real soon now.

Re: The slow death of the electric guitar

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Post by xtracto »

sowpati wrote: post #143
cr0sh wrote: post #82

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> It's not hard to see why. Playing music is hard. The ratio of effort to reward is just terrible. I totally understand why people quit. Several years ago I worked for Fender on their in-house web development team in the marketing department; it was hell during the holiday turnaround, but there were good times, too. I was one of the few people there who didn't play an instrument. For myself, while I have always wante…

I'm sorry I couldn't understand from your comment, are you saying an electric is harder on your fingers as compared to an acoustic? If that's what you meant, I must disagree, and please read the full comment. Else, it's my misunderstanding of your comment, and I shall delete my reply. Electric guitar's strings are far more easier on your fingers compared to a steel-stringed acoustic (not comparing classical guitars w…

Correct, I have been playing both electric and acoustic guitar for 25 years and what you say reflects my experience. Playing acoustic guitar is more difficult, requires more strength in the fingers and will give you calluses on the first months of playing.

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Post by vidarh »

agumonkey wrote: post #113
kaoD wrote: post #90

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Could it be that you're uneducated (which is fine, there's so much music produced nowadays that's hard to be educated in all niches) and listening to shitty electronic music that the mainstream industry is advertising endlessly to recycle the same formula again and again for cheap gains? Similar to shitty music like "The Archies - Sugar Sugar" or anything from The Ramones. There's an endless stream of shit music from…

How many people in the electronic genre could play Bach ? I mind no medium, no genre, nothing at all. If you give me something musical, even tapping on bamboo, or an old DX7 (see this demo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3rrjQtQe5A , the pianos samples are dense, and the harmonies aren't dull) synth, I'd welcome it. The link you gave are not bad, but they lack soul, feel, weight. It's a common thing in electronic mu…

> How many people in the electronic genre could play Bach ?

More than you might think. Some, like Isao Tomita, built their careers on electronic versions of classical music, including Bach in Tomita's case (though I don't care much for his adaptations). Others, but many others, like Jean-Michel Jarre has an education in classical music, and took a long time to "break free" from classical formats in his composition.

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Post by manmal »

anoonmoose wrote: post #154
manmal wrote: post #131

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So I'm downvoted on HN for mentioning Nickleback now? If you listen to the whole of their albums and not only the commercial hits, it's a really solid rock band. Now give me some of the other examples of rock bands that regularly make it to the top 10.

The writing is juvenile, the band's attitude towards other music is insulting, every album sounds more or less the same, and there's an argument to be made that their fame partially stems largely from a Canadian law requiring Canadian music to make up a certain percentage of radio time. According to sources[0], their new album is getting outsold by Jason Isbell & The 400 Unit's new album, they're a fairly straight co…

You have a rational access to music, and I respect that; though not everybody cares about an artist's street cred while listening to their music. Indeed, country seems to take over the guitar torch, and why not. Coldplay mostly doesn't even have sounds that resemble a guitar anymore. Chili Peppers, yeah why not! I want guitars to somehow stay in the charts, or I'll feel quite obsolete with my hobby (electric guitar)..

Re: The slow death of the electric guitar

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Post by agumonkey »

lz400 wrote: post #163
coldtea wrote: post #128

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Here are some examples of some classic stuff -- but like anything new, they probably require repeated listenings to get the layers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgzjFCXCA8g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WTxC8wnXQo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnXVIsMimHY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw5AiRVqfqk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7bKe_Zgk4o&index=5&list=RDX... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FGtd3oH_PQ http…

This shows how subjective things are. I'm really into electronic music, or at least was. Some of your links are absolute masterpieces like autechre or aphex twin. Some of the the other trance stuff is so far below in my opinion that don't belong together.

Maybe he tried to give a broad panel of electronic music. Autechre does have its own universe, I didn't listen more than 2 minutes in because the link loaded slowly and 2h made me skip.
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