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Wikimedia Foundation v. NSA

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Re: Wikimedia Foundation v. NSA

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post #23

I'm curious, can the government use surveillance on paper mail at the large mail operators?

Yes, a picture is taken of every piece of mail sent, tracking the "metadata." Additionally, the Church committee found around 10,000 pieces of mail a year were opened and photographed by the FBI without postal service knowledge.

Re: Wikimedia Foundation v. NSA

#52
post #48
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You keep repeating the "by volunteer" line over and over again. They pay people to head the development of the wiki software, including paying developers and managing the project. The same goes for them managing the huge portfolio of Wikipedia sites. They run one of the most visited and iconic websites online today in a way that is totally unique at that level. If you want to run a smear campaign against them, in her…

the issue is, the site itself they could run with 10% of current employees and they would have funds to run it for years without threatening donation banners each year

You've postured a lot in this thread about the number if employees Wikimedia has. So, put your money where your mouth is and defend your position. Which 90% would you cut, and why?

Here is a list of their employees: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff_and_contractors

Perhaps they could tighten their belt a little bit, but to think that you can run a foundation with the size and scope of Wikimedia with ~30 employees is naive at best.

Re: Wikimedia Foundation v. NSA

#53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't meant as an attack on the OP, but I have a hard time taking anybody seriously who's using the word "cyber" in such an inflated way. Always reminds me of this: https://twitter.com/sehnaoui/status/643972826802688000 I also think it's quite troublesome how this very real issue, IT security, is being misused to stage yet another "War on something" even if there isn't anything concrete to wage a war on. If ther…

Like it or not the "cyber" is now the term that is used

People don't just make fun of "cyber" because it sounds stupid, they also make fun of it because it is stupid.

The media literally portrays the threat as Tron, when it's actually that critical systems have remotely exploitable vulnerabilities. The only real solution is to find the vulnerabilities before the bad guys do so we can close them before they're exploited.

Hoarding vulnerabilities in secret is the exact opposite of the solution.

Re: Wikimedia Foundation v. NSA

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't meant as an attack on the OP, but I have a hard time taking anybody seriously who's using the word "cyber" in such an inflated way. Always reminds me of this: https://twitter.com/sehnaoui/status/643972826802688000 I also think it's quite troublesome how this very real issue, IT security, is being misused to stage yet another "War on something" even if there isn't anything concrete to wage a war on. If ther…

Like it or not the "cyber" is now the term that is used

Used mostly by politicians, lobbyists and media, it's become just another meaningless buzzword people throw around to give the impression they know what they are talking about, quite similar to the "cloud".

Even the CCDCOE (NATO Cyber Defense Centre of Excellence) admits that it's a rather undefined term with vastly different interpretations: https://ccdcoe.org/cyber-definitions.html

Re: Wikimedia Foundation v. NSA

#55
post #23

I'm curious, can the government use surveillance on paper mail at the large mail operators?

Yes, a picture is taken of every piece of mail sent, tracking the "metadata." Additionally, the Church committee found around 10,000 pieces of mail a year were opened and photographed by the FBI without postal service knowledge.

USPS can email you those pictures before you receive the actual mail, with informed delivery: https://informeddelivery.usps.com/box/pages/intro/start.acti...

Re: Wikimedia Foundation v. NSA

#56
post #11

Seems like it's trendy to hate the NSA. It gets conflated with an anti-authoritarian mindset. I wish smart people would gain some perspective - I got some by reading Bamford's books and a new one by Fred Kaplan - Dark Territories, about NSAs painful move to cyber. Some key points: * All the great powers have NSA equivalents. Meaning they play offence and defense in crypto, RF, and cyber. We (USA) can impose restricti…

You seem to accept "the ends justify the means" on such a deep level. Have you considered that human history on earth is quite brief - and that our level of experience and confidence in our methods are mismatched? Another question would be: why do you have confidence in authorities while their objectives, desires, names, and alliances are opaque?

Re: Wikimedia Foundation v. NSA

#57
post #36
post #11

Seems like it's trendy to hate the NSA. It gets conflated with an anti-authoritarian mindset. I wish smart people would gain some perspective - I got some by reading Bamford's books and a new one by Fred Kaplan - Dark Territories, about NSAs painful move to cyber. Some key points: * All the great powers have NSA equivalents. Meaning they play offence and defense in crypto, RF, and cyber. We (USA) can impose restricti…

Cyber? Really?!

Ya he probably eats up their literature :P

Re: Wikimedia Foundation v. NSA

#58
post #4

Great article, thanks for doing what you do ;)

you mean making huge profits from donations? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2015/12...

They don't make any profit from anything. Profit is a concept from commercial entities, and has no meaning when applied to the Wikimedia Foundation

Re: Wikimedia Foundation v. NSA

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post #11

Seems like it's trendy to hate the NSA. It gets conflated with an anti-authoritarian mindset. I wish smart people would gain some perspective - I got some by reading Bamford's books and a new one by Fred Kaplan - Dark Territories, about NSAs painful move to cyber. Some key points: * All the great powers have NSA equivalents. Meaning they play offence and defense in crypto, RF, and cyber. We (USA) can impose restricti…

It's not the role of a democratic and free government to use mass surveillance against its own citizens. It's something you do in a tyranny to weed out dissidents and quill rebellions before they happen. I'm sure you can put up a lot of good points as to why he NSAs of the world help, but the simple truth is, that we are not free when we live under a surveillance state.

And in what "democratic and free" state are there not bad actors who do need investigating?

Hanson, Philby etc.

Re: Wikimedia Foundation v. NSA

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post #11

Seems like it's trendy to hate the NSA. It gets conflated with an anti-authoritarian mindset. I wish smart people would gain some perspective - I got some by reading Bamford's books and a new one by Fred Kaplan - Dark Territories, about NSAs painful move to cyber. Some key points: * All the great powers have NSA equivalents. Meaning they play offence and defense in crypto, RF, and cyber. We (USA) can impose restricti…

> * All the great powers have NSA equivalents. Meaning they play offence and defense in crypto, RF, and cyber. We (USA) can impose restrictions on our NSA but not on anyone else's. Our exploit-riddled networks are a playground for American, Russian and Chinese cyber warriors - and probably many others. So? > * In cyber, offense and defense become the same. Kaplan's book covers this. So a smart country seeks cyber-sup…

urm no there was stupid inter service rivalry that lead to bizarre things like the army and navy working on decrypting intercepts on alternate days instead of having one organisation like BP and GCHQ
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