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The slow death of the electric guitar

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Re: The slow death of the electric guitar

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So I'm downvoted on HN for mentioning Nickleback now? If you listen to the whole of their albums and not only the commercial hits, it's a really solid rock band. Now give me some of the other examples of rock bands that regularly make it to the top 10.

Foo Fighters?

That's a legit example and I dig them a lot!

Re: The slow death of the electric guitar

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I missed it too by a week, he has always been in the shadow. I don't think I've listened to Ponty with him, onto it.

Here is a nice one to start with: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmC5P_85vhc

I love the first minute.. a very nice Holdsworthy theme.

I like the electronic vibe, kinda like Civilized Evil https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FikOX8KloCk&list=PLzN7jgp6hR...

I see Ponty played with drummer Damien Schmitt, do you know this piece by Schmitt and Feraud ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8au2qIcjJVw

Re: The slow death of the electric guitar

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Been playing guitar for 20 years, and this is spot on! The John Mayer comment is ridiculous, he's a great guitarist. Even many of John Mayer's biggest pop radio hits have great chord voicings and writing built-in (No Such Thing, Why Georgia, Neon, Daughters). The YouTube factor you mention is also amazing. This article was probably right, but it's so focused on the good ole days that it's sad. Times change. Art chang…

LOL, you've just named the top 4 Mayer covers in my son's regular gigging set. I must say when I first saw Mayer play "Neon" with just the acoustic guitar on "Where the Light Is", I was floored and thought that he must have to have two brains to be able to achieve that. [0] When my son said he wanted to learn to play that song solo, I told him it would be nearly impossible. But he learned it and plays it just like Jo…

Neon is a pretty simple tune to learn, really. Here's some Guthrie Govan. Play this with ease and you really are a guitar god:

https://youtu.be/qfNUY8IrJi8

Re: The slow death of the electric guitar

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Of all the examples to pick from...

So I'm downvoted on HN for mentioning Nickleback now? If you listen to the whole of their albums and not only the commercial hits, it's a really solid rock band. Now give me some of the other examples of rock bands that regularly make it to the top 10.

The writing is juvenile, the band's attitude towards other music is insulting, every album sounds more or less the same, and there's an argument to be made that their fame partially stems largely from a Canadian law requiring Canadian music to make up a certain percentage of radio time. According to sources[0], their new album is getting outsold by Jason Isbell & The 400 Unit's new album, they're a fairly straight country act, so I'm not sure I'm even willing to take Nickelback's popularity as a given in 2017.

Like the other commenter said, Foo Fighters would have made a better example. Maybe Coldplay. Chili Peppers. Look, I understand that art is subjective, but at the end of the day, some art is less subjective than others. Nickelback deserves their spot in the pantheon of groups who get shit on whenever you mention them.

[0]https://headlineplanet.com/home/2017/06/20/nickelbacks-feed-...

Re: The slow death of the electric guitar

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You actually have to practice and have some skill to play guitar... not to mention finding a bassist, and an actual, real-life drummer, at minimum, for a full band. Compared to dicking around with a laptop and calling yourself a DJ, or slapping some drum loops and autotune on top of some vocals, rock music does require some actual work.

As someone who plays guitar and writes electronic music, getting good at the latter takes a comparable level of effort. I think you're underestimating how difficult it is to make electronic stuff that isn't terrible.

Yeah. A very capable (platinum record making) engineer friend of mine recently linked to a facebook video, a friend of his who'd done a parody song about how easy it was to make a pop song, with just a four on the floor beat and simple chords and less than twenty-five words. It was one of those snarky songs, a parody thing about how trivial and easy it was to do it.

The kick was absolutely potato quality, like something off a Casio. Even I could tell the 'so easy' backing track was garbage. It wasn't even intentionally awful, it was just so horribly meh and uninspired as far as sound choices and the way it didn't groove or show any interest.

LOTS of old school instrumentalists look down on EDM while being completely blind to how it works or how it's done.

Re: The slow death of the electric guitar

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I don't listen to much electronic music, but I find no subtleties or sensitivity in what I hear. I understand that dismissing the new for no other reason is useless but I just don't feel it.

>I don't listen to much electronic music, but I find no subtleties or sensitivity in what I hear. Personally, I listen to whatever triggers the release of happy hormones in my brain. I think this varies from person to person, but for most people (and me) it's close to pop. I'm fine with this being not high culture. There's lots of sophisticated electronic music, but those are different subgenres to the point where th…

I stopped being a musical snob a while back. I mind no music that gives me chills but often it has to have some ingredients. Now it can be bubblegum pop, it's not an issue, as it should since I have many "ridiculous" songs that I find quite deep to listen too (teen pop idol, old kids shows theme songs).

Re: The slow death of the electric guitar

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Of all the examples to pick from...

So I'm downvoted on HN for mentioning Nickleback now? If you listen to the whole of their albums and not only the commercial hits, it's a really solid rock band. Now give me some of the other examples of rock bands that regularly make it to the top 10.

I'm not hating on them. I mentioned it because the hive mind certainly does and so seemed a poor example.

I'm not a fan because they are unoriginal and re-use the same template in their production software for multiple songs.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4258547

They also seemed to take a few to many liberties with their 'inspiration', e.g.

Hero - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuX0RdK0HF8

vs

Kiss From A Rose - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yivLt9cTaio

The melodies are a little too close to gain my respect. It's like they were tasked with making music for a Batman movie and started browsing the previous movie scores.

Re: The slow death of the electric guitar

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“You don’t see a bunch of kids emulating John Mayer and listening to him and wanting to pick up a guitar because of him.” Emphasis on a bunch of kids . As someone who likes guitar it pains me to say that this seems true. My son is 11, in a (very) music-heavy school. When I was his age I think almost every boy (and some girls) in my class learnt guitar - it was the instrument. In my son's class I think there are 2 lea…

Genuine question: Has your son seen Mayer play? Either on TV or in a live situation? I remember my son being entranced when I brought home the "Where The Light Is" DVD and put it on to watch it myself. He happened to be in the room, and was hooked from the opening song to the last. Not saying that will be the case in every instance, but I do remember the actual video that got BOTH my sons into music was an "AC/DC Liv…

There will always be people to get hooked on old artists, but the point remains that we're not in a world where there are guitar heroes like in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, and the numbers of people who become inspired enough to work at the instrument for long enough to achieve proficiency has consequently declined.

I learned in the mid 90s, probably inspired by Oasis, and related Britpop artists. Of course very quickly I was listening to older musicians like Page, Hendrix, and Clapton. Even then though my friends who played music and I were well aware that the age of guitar hero was over and that it was quirkier to want to play guitar music than it had been ten years before. There were no more Slashes on the horizon.

Music scenes seem likely to never be so one dimensional as they were in previous decades, because there's something for everyone online, and I can't see a time when Top of the Pops has three big rock bands playing on the same night ever again.

Re: The slow death of the electric guitar

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My generation, the last of generation X, probably wanted to express existential angst with loud music such as altern rock and metal – music centered around distorted guitars. Metal took more hopeful '50s and '60s guitar music and turned it into darkness and despair, just like the hippie philosophy and in a way the general world view did. The millennial generation – my younger brother – clearly follows a different pat…

I would also argue metal was never mainstream. The mainstream was always further takes on pop, which to an increasing degree draws from all the others innovating, if in a moderately expressed way. Listen to mainstream popular music now and you can often find some of the intensity extreme metal explored.
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