Cjdns v20 Release
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Cjdns v20 Release
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Re: Cjdns v20 Release
#2It is always amusing when various "debcentralise the X" efforts learn the same hard lessons over and over, namely that when compared to centralised equivalents, decentralisation is more complicated, more difficult to debug and verify correctness, and always more expensive.
Re: Cjdns v20 Release
#3It is always amusing when various "debcentralise the X" efforts learn the same hard lessons over and over, namely that when compared to centralised equivalents, decentralisation is more complicated, more difficult to debug and verify correctness, and always more expensive.
Except for "decentralize the source code repository," which makes source code easier to manage.
Re: Cjdns v20 Release
#4It is always amusing when various "debcentralise the X" efforts learn the same hard lessons over and over, namely that when compared to centralised equivalents, decentralisation is more complicated, more difficult to debug and verify correctness, and always more expensive.
Once you factor in the effort to build the entity that backs a centralized infrastucture and the way they acquire their power to enforce centralization it suddenly becomes a lot more complicated too.
And BGP is far from ideal too.
Re: Cjdns v20 Release
#5It is always amusing when various "debcentralise the X" efforts learn the same hard lessons over and over, namely that when compared to centralised equivalents, decentralisation is more complicated, more difficult to debug and verify correctness, and always more expensive.
So what's your answer? Hand over all control to the Microsofts, Apples, and Googles of the world? Become a cog in their machine, just because freeing ourselves from their machine is hard? No thanks.
People probably laughed at the efforts of those trying to overthrow monarchs and dictators, and instate democracy. And that was hard too, but it doesn't mean it wasn't worthwhile.
Re: Cjdns v20 Release
#6It is always amusing when various "debcentralise the X" efforts learn the same hard lessons over and over, namely that when compared to centralised equivalents, decentralisation is more complicated, more difficult to debug and verify correctness, and always more expensive.
So what's your answer? Hand over all control to the Microsofts, Apples, and Googles of the world? Become a cog in their machine, just because freeing ourselves from their machine is hard? No thanks. People probably laughed at the efforts of those trying to overthrow monarchs and dictators, and instate democracy. And that was hard too, but it doesn't mean it wasn't worthwhile.
Decentralization is futile*
* Except in all the places where it's succeeded and vastly improved the world.
Re: Cjdns v20 Release
#7It is always amusing when various "debcentralise the X" efforts learn the same hard lessons over and over, namely that when compared to centralised equivalents, decentralisation is more complicated, more difficult to debug and verify correctness, and always more expensive.
Except for "decentralize the source code repository," which makes source code easier to manage.
do you consider github decentralized ?
Re: Cjdns v20 Release
#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
So what's your answer? Hand over all control to the Microsofts, Apples, and Googles of the world? Become a cog in their machine, just because freeing ourselves from their machine is hard? No thanks. People probably laughed at the efforts of those trying to overthrow monarchs and dictators, and instate democracy. And that was hard too, but it doesn't mean it wasn't worthwhile.
Decentralization is futile* * Except in all the places where it's succeeded and vastly improved the world.
Can you name an example where complete decentralisation succeeded? In most cases, fully decntralized systems were developed for a small, closed network of agents and then when they failed to scale well the architects were forced to introduce mid-tier centralisation points to assist coordination and make the system more efficient.
Re: Cjdns v20 Release
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
Decentralization is futile* * Except in all the places where it's succeeded and vastly improved the world.
Can you name an example where complete decentralisation succeeded? In most cases, fully decntralized systems were developed for a small, closed network of agents and then when they failed to scale well the architects were forced to introduce mid-tier centralisation points to assist coordination and make the system more efficient.
Decentralisation isn't a binary succeed/fail, it's a direction to head towards. Increasing decentralisation incrementally is nearly always a win.
The web, git, bitcoin, email. They are all incremental improvements on more-centralised predecessors.
Re: Cjdns v20 Release
#10Is there a Debian apt repo for cjdns yet? I used cjdns for a while, but it was annoying having a separate procedure for updating it when everything else on my system just required an apt-get dist-upgrade, so I stopped using it.