So is he being charged with anything? Do the women have evidence of any amount to corroborate it?
What are they seeking to happen to him?
This is a serious question... because I do not see a link to the indictment.
6 Women Accuse Tech VC Justin Caldbeck of Sexual Assault and Harassment
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#302Earlier quoted context omitted.
that's still not sexual harassment, there are plenty of stories of men chasing women and eventually marrying them. human sexuality isn't that cut and dried.
Not taking no for an answer is sexual harassment, if it makes the person on the receiving end uncomfortable.
The article does not mention any of the women were direct with him and said "No".
Infact, I would bet that they did not say "no". Because if they did... they would have used that to support their case.
Smart that these women didn't actually level legal charges on him. Therefore they can tarnish is reputation and not experience an investigation to see who is telling the truth and therefore risk their careers.
They even pointed out that it's so common place that they didn't think it was worthy of a police investigation.
Why don't they "come out" about the hundred men that cat-called them this week alone?
Oh right, because they wouldn't get fame or have the joy of taking down a powerful man.
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#303At the risk of sounding like I'm defending the guy (which I'm not), do we have a comprehensive definition of "Sexual Assault and Harassement" ? Because in some places (northern europe for example) these terms have very volatile definitions which allows pretty much anything to fall under the "rape" category. I totally understand that repeatedly violating somebody's physical safe space is a form a sexual assault (grabb…
In the USA, "sexual harassment" is generally defined as behavior or words of a sexual nature that make a person feel uncomfortable. Examples could range from an extreme of physical assault or offering a quid-pro-quo to keep ones job or get a promotion, all the way to telling lewd jokes or stories within earshot of a third party, or making comments or compliments about someone's dress or appearance (even telling a co-…
As a straight male, my manager comments on my clothes if I wear something nicer than usual, say a button up. It made very uncomfortable. I don't like when people comment on my appearance at work.
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#304Earlier quoted context omitted.
What? Anyone can be sexually harassed by anyone else, workplace has nothing to do with it. Sexual harassment in the workplace is egregious because the conflict of interests. E.g. my boss harasses me, but if I complain I jeopardize my livelihood.
Alex3917 is right that sexual harassment outside the workplace is not illegal, but it's incorrect to say it's not "legally sexual harassment." It is sexual harassment, it's just not illegal sexual harassment. For example, catcalling on the street isn't illegal. It's still sexual harassment, it's still unethical, but it's not illegal.
>>For example, catcalling on the street isn't illegal
Apparently in some instances and places it is. Follow the link.
[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/10/29/catca...
Re: 6 Women Accuse Tech VC Justin Caldbeck of Sexual Assault and Harassment
#305It's so hard to imagine how this kind of thing goes on. I've worked in small and large companies in Australia and (in those places) nobody could get away with messing with female staff.
So it drives me crazy to hear people getting away with it. It makes the world look majority bad - instead of minority bad.
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#306This article is a bit outdated. Caldbeck has since published a second statement and stepped down from the firm:
https://www.recode.net/2017/6/23/15865422/justin-caldbeck-le...
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#307Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think they are using a euphemism for essentially saying "no" to sex/relations.
Yup, this one. It's a common tactic to bring up the significant other when it seems like the conversation might be going in a non-platonic direction and you want to head it off. It's a way to avoid taking on the personal risk related to giving an outright rejection.
It's a way to avoid taking on the personal risk related to giving an outright rejection.
Yes, and even if the person being rejected poses no risk it's nice to spare their feelings with what amounts to a little white lie. It helps everybody save face and ideally allows the conversation to move on to other things.
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#308Earlier quoted context omitted.
The sad part to me is that this is just the part of the iceberg that is visible above the surface. I've heard stories from several female founders/VC's (not naming names or specific details to protect anonymity) who have experienced repeated unwelcome advances even after it was made clear they had a significant other. That's not as egregious as groping (one of the accusations in this article), but that's still sexual…
> repeated unwelcome advances even after it was made clear they had a significant other Repeated unwelcome advances are not OK even if the person is single.
I think this is a pretty important point. The default option for declining a proposition shouldn't have to be "I already have a partner". A simple 'no, thankyou' should suffice.
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#309Earlier quoted context omitted.
The sad part to me is that this is just the part of the iceberg that is visible above the surface. I've heard stories from several female founders/VC's (not naming names or specific details to protect anonymity) who have experienced repeated unwelcome advances even after it was made clear they had a significant other. That's not as egregious as groping (one of the accusations in this article), but that's still sexual…
> repeated unwelcome advances even after it was made clear they had a significant other Repeated unwelcome advances are not OK even if the person is single.
> Repeated unwelcome advances are not OK even if the person is single.
Definitely agree with you there. I added the extra "made clear they had a significant other" since it would help to push the line even further into unacceptable territory. I don't mean to imply that the relationship status is a necessary condition for unacceptability. The fact that women have learned to use the existence of an SO as an escape rather than outright saying no reflects poorly on the men that caused the learned behavior.
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I am one of the three women who went on the record: Niniane Wang. I'm one of the "she-said"s. I have nothing to gain from this. I am not suing. I'm founder & CEO of a Greylock-funded startup. Thankfully Greylock has come out in full support, but I didn't know that beforehand and was very nervous when I decided to do the article. The only way that any reporter would agree to publish was if I used my real name. I knew…
I think you're pretty courageous, much more than I am, as the potential backlash could result in your startup failing.
Would you rather invest in a start-up led by a non-courageous founder?