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Google Will Stop Reading Your Emails for Gmail Ads

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

65827 wrote: post #293
chicob wrote: post #204

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That directive might be related to what's happening. But let's not be naive: if Google will stop reading our emails in order to send us personalized ads, that's because it doesn't really need to. People share just enough outside their email environment for Google to do its thing. Another sign of which those worrying about privacy should be aware.

Yeah it's all inevitable and we are just powerless peons in the face of the purely efficient and all knowing machine. That's certainly the bullshit narrative Google wants you to believe.

They explain everything in the TOS you agree to when starting a free account. It's not exactly shocking that they mine your data in exchange.

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Post by tezzer »

x0x0 wrote: post #307
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #289

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Exactly. Google already knows a shit ton about you, and given how data driven they are, I guarantee they came to the conclusion that they would still be able to show highly targeted ads with little or no loss in revenue or click-through-rates rates. Heck, dollars to donuts they've already A/B tested the shit out of it to reach this conclusion.

Or they're willing to take a loss on the ads -- which frankly don't make much money -- to go after the far more lucrative corporate emailing/calendaring market. The pricing is $5/$10/$higher per user-month, so walking away from an ads business that may possibly (but I doubt it) be earning hundreds of millions to avoid a cloud over your sales process for the aforementioned multi-billion dollar business seems like a so…

When you say ads don't make much money, are you talking about from business users? 2Q 2016 $19 billion of Alphabet's $21 billion in revenue came from ads, so that seems like a strange statement.

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Post by CaptSpify »

Ajedi32 wrote: post #244
ksk wrote: post #185

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But your profile is not just linked with Gmail. Its across Google, including any future products. Its a kind of cross-product tying using customer data (which gives them an easy leg-up on new ad-subsidized products) that I would assume attracts anti-trust scrutiny. I think its fair for you to accept the terms, if you know what you're getting in return. The problem here is that you will never know exactly what informa…

> The problem here is that you will never know exactly what information is stored about you, and how personal it is, and you have zero control over it. On the contrary. I know what emails are stored in my inbox just as well as Google does. I can also search through that information and delete it if I so choose, so I do have control over it.

You can remove your access to that data. Theres no indication that said data is actually deleted.

They also have a lot more information about you than just your email, especially if you use their search.

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Post by joering2 »

vaishaksuresh wrote: post #210
DerfNet wrote: post #179

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Is there any reason not to go with ProtonMail? They seem to be the big recommendation lately for encrypted email service.

No particular reason, I just knew fastmail from many years ago and liked them.

I emailed them (Proton) on few occasions with important questions and never got a single response. That alone turned me off. Will go with Fastmail very soon moving my yahoo since Verizon bought them.

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Post by sowbug »

sean2 wrote: post #245
EGreg wrote: post #127

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I don't understand why seeing an ad is so bad. So a sleazy salesman is more annoying because they are in your way. But if you're going to see ads anyway, I'd rather they be relevant!! Can soemone explain why given that there will be ads either way they actually prefer irrelevant ads?

Here's why I prefer irrelevant ads: 1. Targeted ads catch my attention better. Frequently I don't even notice or remember irrelevant adds. 2. Targeted ads are almost always, SEOed (if you will) to me; that is, they seem relevant, they offer the solution needed to fix the precise problem I'm discussing in the email chain, I click, I read, I would buy, but I realize that the product offered is nothing like what I've be…

I'm curious how you make a living and whether the business you're in relies on advertising to sustain itself. Perhaps I'm reading too much into your post, but I detect a value judgment that businesses trying to be businesses (i.e., selling you stuff) is a bad thing.

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

bostik wrote: post #186
jpeg_hero wrote: post #144

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ok, maybe Gmail ads have been irrelevant to you. but surely you've done a google search and been presented with interesting goods and services?!?!

Anecdata: in the past 5 years or so the number of relevant or interesting search ads Google has shown me can be counted with one hand. - If I'm searching for technical documentation, I couldn't care less about all the random consultancies or shitty-SaaS-of-the-day trash that populate the ad slot(s). - If I'm looking for technical details on a piece of malware or vulnerability research, the last thing I want to see on…

>- If I'm searching for details on some car models ... why the fk is google shoving insurance ads on my screen real estate? //

Brand marketing. It may not work on you, but it works in general.

Personally I consider myself pretty imune to marketing but when you think "who else should I check to switch my car insurance to" then that brand is going to pop up if it's been fed to your brain enough. Indeed when you're looking at a list of similar offers the one that's associated with a name you already know will seem somehow more trustsworthy, it's an insidious finagling of a brand in to your brain drip by drip. Why do they do it? It works.

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Post by monk_e_boy »

mistermann wrote: post #320
x0x0 wrote: post #307

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Or they're willing to take a loss on the ads -- which frankly don't make much money -- to go after the far more lucrative corporate emailing/calendaring market. The pricing is $5/$10/$higher per user-month, so walking away from an ads business that may possibly (but I doubt it) be earning hundreds of millions to avoid a cloud over your sales process for the aforementioned multi-billion dollar business seems like a so…

If they want me to use gmail for corporate email they better invest some effort in some UI & usability redesign.

and memory consumption. I'm always amazed that gmail.com uses so much memory if you leave it open for a few days.

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Post by [deleted] »

tezzer wrote: post #323
x0x0 wrote: post #307

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Or they're willing to take a loss on the ads -- which frankly don't make much money -- to go after the far more lucrative corporate emailing/calendaring market. The pricing is $5/$10/$higher per user-month, so walking away from an ads business that may possibly (but I doubt it) be earning hundreds of millions to avoid a cloud over your sales process for the aforementioned multi-billion dollar business seems like a so…

When you say ads don't make much money, are you talking about from business users? 2Q 2016 $19 billion of Alphabet's $21 billion in revenue came from ads, so that seems like a strange statement.

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Post by CamperBob2 »

cybrjoe wrote: post #72
dingaling wrote: post #48

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It's like my accountant reading my receipts to create my tax return versus a sleazy salesman sneaking a peek at them to find new ways to sell me stuff.

It's more like your accountant preparing your tax return for free in exchange for aggregating data about your receipts and offering you goods and services you may be interested in.

It's more like your accountant preparing your tax return for free in exchange for aggregating data about your receipts and offering you goods and services you may be interested in.

Hmm. I could actually see that working, as a spinoff of concierge services offered by companies like American Express.

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