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Re: Female founders accuse VC Justin Caldbeck of making unwanted advances

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Is that really how it works? Stories about Uber typically get high comment rates, and I usually see them near the top.

I think I remember it being something about the ratio of comments to votes; lots of comments per vote mean that it's controversial, and controversial posts age off faster.

I'm pretty sure this is it. I heard once that if a story has more comments then votes it starts falling, though I don't know if that's accurate.

Re: Female founders accuse VC Justin Caldbeck of making unwanted advances

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That's pretty impressive. Usually they somehow turn around the whole issue during this kind of "apology" but he pretty much says he behaved badly and that's it. Edit: After reading https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14622737 I think he is just a big asshole who wants to make this go away so he can get back to business. No real remorse.

It would be more impressive to not harass women founders. This apology moves him above harassers who don't apologize, but still miles below non-harassers. Beware of giving someone too much credit for doing something very harmful, then apologizing for it effusively. It doesn't undo the harm.

"It would be more impressive to not harass women founders."

That's not possible at this point without a time machine.

The apology doesn't undo any harm, but it's a good start for changing course. (Assuming the apology isn't solely for PR purposes.)

Re: Female founders accuse VC Justin Caldbeck of making unwanted advances

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> The bigger thread has already been downvoted off the front page Isn't that the result of a Hacker News algorithm that hides stories that receive a lot of comments in a short time?

My experience on HN is that stories about sexism often disappear quickly. It's often that I click on a story on the front page to read the comments, only to see it flagged a few moments later. My explanation is that there is a significant number of HN readers that flag stories about sexism in tech because they don't believe them, but of course I don't have any evidence for that.

Anything that isn't scientific or technical in nature gets downvoted, including posts from the other end of the spectrum like false rape accusations and gamergate.

The exception is news from the large tech companies and unicorns.

I appreciate this community driven filter after being bombarded by inflammatory headlines, ideologies and news all day. It filters out "political" and "controversial" topics very well.

Re: Female founders accuse VC Justin Caldbeck of making unwanted advances

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" such deep and genuine self-awareness" Lol, seriously? This is standard PR bullshit. Clearly in this situation, the evidence was so cut-and-dry and unambiguous that Caldbeck had no choice but to admit defeat. The type of person that repeatedly engages in this behavior is not at all the type of person to be sobered by excellent communication. He just saw the writing on the wall.

[withdrawn]

I'm not saying he didn't write this himself. But I am saying that if I were in his position and knew that I had no way of getting out of something like this, I would have no trouble at all (technically, not morally) faking sincerity and admitting all my actions while tying them into a larger framework such as sexism in the startup industry.

It's an admission of guilt. It's not brave, it's just an unconditional surrender.

Re: Female founders accuse VC Justin Caldbeck of making unwanted advances

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So I understand that Justin made some serious mistakes in pursuing his interest in several female entrepreneurs. Does there exist an acceptable manner for someone in a position like his to pursue such an interest? I'd imagine it would depend a lot on the context -- for example, it seems clear to me it would be very inappropriate to do so during any time period where a deal was being negotiated. And of course, general…

> Does there exist an acceptable manner for someone in a position like his to pursue such an interest?

No. The power dynamic always makes it a problem. Someone in a position like his needs to look elsewhere for relationships.

Re: Female founders accuse VC Justin Caldbeck of making unwanted advances

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It would be more impressive to not harass women founders. This apology moves him above harassers who don't apologize, but still miles below non-harassers. Beware of giving someone too much credit for doing something very harmful, then apologizing for it effusively. It doesn't undo the harm.

So how long do we have to ostracize him for before we can treat him like a human being again? Or does he wear the scarlett letter forever now? Is it not okay to note that he appears to be taking the right first steps?

Until he is removed from positions of power over women, and steps are taken towards making sure that it won't happen again?

Serial drunk drivers lose their license, and get sent to AA. Serial harassment... I'm not sure what institution exists to deal with that problem. A shrink? Welfare?

Re: Female founders accuse VC Justin Caldbeck of making unwanted advances

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The bigger thread has already been downvoted off the front page and this one is falling quickly. Disgusting. For all the down voters: Justin just admitted that all the accusations are true. https://www.axios.com/justin-caldbeck-takes-indefinite-leave... The past 24 hours have been the darkest of my life. I have made many mistakes over the course of my career, some of which were brought to light this week. To say I'm…

> The bigger thread has already been downvoted off the front page and this one is falling quickly. Disgusting.

The main thread (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14621397) is back on the front page. The software had applied a mild ranking penalty which we've overridden, but it hasn't been flagged off by users.

Re: Female founders accuse VC Justin Caldbeck of making unwanted advances

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Curious what Tiffany Zhong has to say...only reason I have heard of this place is because she was known as the youngest VC in the Valley until she left last year.

The firm had multiple other women leave in rapid succession as well.

It's just a little terrifying how young she was and also the fact that the 3 women who both spoke on record happened to be asian.

Note: I'm an asian male.

Re: Female founders accuse VC Justin Caldbeck of making unwanted advances

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I still can't approve of the article because of all the allusions and unwarranted generalizations it makes ("this is why there are so few female founders" and the like). A favorite is cases like Ellen Pao who lose in court but in certain circles her claims continue to be believed.

Obviously, men will always be attracted to women (and sometimes vice versa), and not all men know how to deal with it in an appropriate way. But as in this case, if called out, the bad apples also get eliminated. Also YMMV - for some an unwanted SMS in the middle of the night is a nightmare, others simply shrug it off.

Even assuming women avoid becoming founders because of sleazy VCs - what do they do instead? Men are everywhere, making advances.

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