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Re: The American Heart Association Bravely Admits They’ve Been Right All Along

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Post by cwyers » Fri, Jun 23, 2017, 7:27 PM UTC

pierrebai wrote: post #12

cellis wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fathead article is a rebuttal to that study, not an "angry rant".

It's a rant. The problem with the blog is that it uses all the wrong keywords and format: - "Has I said all along" - "Follow the money" - Characterizing stuff like vegetable oil as "industrial product" - Attack individual (Sacks), not ideas. - Provides no data - Provides plenty of exclamation marks. - Fill with fake-news looking "cholesterolcloggingarteryohmy!" key phrase all over. If he aimed at looking non-credible…

> Characterizing stuff like vegetable oil as "industrial product"

I mean, it is. ADM and Cargill and the like are making this stuff using an industrial process.

Re: The American Heart Association Bravely Admits They’ve Been Right All Along

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Post by pierrebai » Fri, Jun 23, 2017, 7:30 PM UTC

cellis wrote: post #16

pierrebai wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a rant. The problem with the blog is that it uses all the wrong keywords and format: - "Has I said all along" - "Follow the money" - Characterizing stuff like vegetable oil as "industrial product" - Attack individual (Sacks), not ideas. - Provides no data - Provides plenty of exclamation marks. - Fill with fake-news looking "cholesterolcloggingarteryohmy!" key phrase all over. If he aimed at looking non-credible…

He attacked the studies of the individual and used that to show that the man had no business writing the study in the first place and should therefore be discredited.

I'll take his characterization of the low-salt study as an example. He criticize that:

- Starting form a healthy diet and reducing salt "only" lowered blood pressure by 3 points. - Comparing junk food diat to healty diet.

The problem right here is that the reduction in slat did result in lower blood pressure for both groups. That it only reduced by 3 points only shows that the healthy diet... was already healthy. He then goes on to say that the reduced blood pressure when comparing junk food to the healthy diet was due to not consuming junk food... where did he come up with this exactly? He base this claim on nothing! (I don't doubt junk food is bad for you, but he claims that the study is un-scientific, but he comes to his own conclusion out of the blue... that's science?)

When you read all his rebutals an attacks, you come out with a sense that they're more or less based on his own pre-conceptions of what the results should be.

It's the typical loud-mouthed critics, which start from some truths but then veer into zealotry.

Re: The American Heart Association Bravely Admits They’ve Been Right All Along

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Post by deegles » Fri, Jun 23, 2017, 8:08 PM UTC

scythe wrote: post #7

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11745-010-3393-4 It isn't too hard to read nutrition studies you find from Google Scholar. I strongly recommend people try it. Instead of angry rants about those awful bureaucrats at the AHA you get informative and very readable scientific prose like this: >Public health emphasis on reducing SFA consumption without considering the replacement nutrient or, more importantly, t…

I don't have the science or statistics background to really dig deep into these studies, especially not at the rate they are released. It's helpful to have blogs and other sources that do this work on our behalf. For a more detailed rebuttal, I would recommend this interview with Gary Taubes: http://garytaubes.com/vegetable-oils-francis-bacon-bing-cros...

Re: The American Heart Association Bravely Admits They’ve Been Right All Along

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Post by scyber » Fri, Jun 23, 2017, 8:26 PM UTC

ddoran wrote: post #15

> "His definition of “low carb” was 35% of calories. If you’re consuming 2000 calories per day, that’s 175 carbs per day. " What's a "carb per day"? 175 of them? I think he's trying to say: "That's 700 calories of carbs per day". If he is, his writing is really sloppy. Pass.

175 grams of carbs. Each gram of carbs has 4 calories. 175 grams of carbs = 700 calories.

Re: The American Heart Association Bravely Admits They’ve Been Right All Along

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Post by LyndsySimon » Fri, Jun 23, 2017, 11:34 PM UTC

All I know is that when I started following a ketogenic diet - 20g of fewer of net carbs per day - I started dropping weight for the first time in my life and my overall health and well-being has improved substantially.