What is it compiled to? Does it target JVM, CLR, native code (if so what platforms?) What is it compiled with? LLVM ? GCC ? Custom compiler? What is the standard library like?
It targets GHC
Luna – Visual and textual functional programming language
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Re: Luna – Visual and textual functional programming language
#182This idea will eventually work and be huge I think (I know visual programming languages already exist but a commonly used one to emerge). As someone who believes in metaprogramming and flexibility though I'm hoping for something dynamic, not a heavy mandatory type system that compiles to Haskell.
We believe in something very similar, there are some differences though. Luna type system is not dynamic BUT it is also not mandatory. Our whole standard library does NOT mention a single type - all are inferred by type system and you can, if you want, state them explicitly. To sum this up, we want Luna to be simple to use, intuitive, but have a strongly typed backbone with power similar to Haskell or Idris IF needed…
Thanks for your response and that does seem like a nice compromise, but it's still not perfect to me.
If the choice is |, it's better than just but I'd love some
Good luck with your project, looks pretty cool
Re: Luna – Visual and textual functional programming language
#183Earlier quoted context omitted.
in what way is javascript a non language? i write c, python and javascript- i dont see how one is any more of a language than another? you are baselessly pretentious
the_cat_kittles I did not wanted to hurt your feelings. Of course it is a language. By saying it is not I just wanted to express my strong anty-JS feelings, but they are of course very subjective :)
cool, i didnt want to hurt your feelings, just point out that you are a baseless snob
Re: Luna – Visual and textual functional programming language
#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't care what they done in terms of stable runtime. I mean, I care, but not in the context of the language itself. Language is all - combined! The runtime, syntax, libs, everything. I call it "experience" or "feeling". I like the idea to treat JS as web assembler, but as a language, JS is just a garbage. It will be garbage until you will be able to write code, that seems completely valid unless you are super JS g…
it does, because you are clearly just a snob. its so obvious that people are just looking for reasons to hate javascript when they post shit like your dumb example. though i concede that is a pretty hilarious "wat". virtually all the dumb "gotchas" never show up, and the real gotchas are learned early, just like other languages. you are like a classical musician who thinks every other kind of music is not real and ea…
the_cat_kittles I think you don't get the point of my answer or simply my answer was confusing, sorry for that. I did not wanted to start a big discussion here and just throw a controversial, stupid example. But it very clearly shows my main point. The point is that it is easily to write a code in Javascript that looks ok, but is not. The lack of good type system, legacy of how it was implemented on the beginning and everything connected to lack of general safety leads to this conclusion.
Re: Luna – Visual and textual functional programming language
#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
We are open to suggestions here. We know that Luna brings a great power to Data Scientists but there have to be a good way to show this power to them. I don't know currently what way would be the best and we've got a little time until we do it. For now, the first milestone for us is to build community around good programmers (including good programmers from the data science field) and later target less technical peop…
I'd be interested in (and have some experience) in bridging Python with other (data-heavy) languages, which would let you pull in a lot of functionality as nodes in your graph, or expose your graph as functions in Python.
Great! I'd like to help make it happen. Please sign to our list and make sure you read mails from spam folder. Let's be in touch after the release, soon. Alternatively, just drop me a line at wojciech at luna-lang.org and let's stay in touch! :)
Re: Luna – Visual and textual functional programming language
#186Just some minor critiques. What is confusing to me is if the visualization actually running the code or is just static analysis of the code? The reason I ask is if its running then what you have built is a language with an absolutely awesome visual REPL. If it is please say its a language with awesome visual REPL! A potential Excel for programmers killer. There are languages that tried to do this (Squeak, and Racket…
Why don't we have both? And then some more.
It is an awesome REPL with a bit of Excel feel. Runs the code whenever you change it and displays the results in real-time. It is also great for interactive data sources (like web services), where you get the results as soon as they appear upstream.
The whiteboard part is super important too. Visual representation is great for design and brainstorming. Even more so, when it provides runtime feedback about your designs. And it gets even more important with collaboration. So at this point we've got a collaborative whiteboard that actually runs the computations.
There is, however, one more part to the story. Neither whiteboard, nor a REPL are well suited for implementing the final, production software. We aim to blur the lines between the design and implementation phases, allowing to deploy whatever has just been "sketched".
Re: Luna – Visual and textual functional programming language
#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't care what they done in terms of stable runtime. I mean, I care, but not in the context of the language itself. Language is all - combined! The runtime, syntax, libs, everything. I call it "experience" or "feeling". I like the idea to treat JS as web assembler, but as a language, JS is just a garbage. It will be garbage until you will be able to write code, that seems completely valid unless you are super JS g…
it does, because you are clearly just a snob. its so obvious that people are just looking for reasons to hate javascript when they post shit like your dumb example. though i concede that is a pretty hilarious "wat". virtually all the dumb "gotchas" never show up, and the real gotchas are learned early, just like other languages. you are like a classical musician who thinks every other kind of music is not real and ea…
Sorry dude, I'm going to have to step in; you're being too strong in your counter attitude. I've been writing and teaching JavaScript professionally for many years, and while I don't hate the language, I don't blame those who do. After learning and using a statically typed language, it becomes absurd how much effort you have to put in to debug a JavaScript type error – a problem that is amplified by the language design.
What happens when you add 1 + undefined? Other dynamic languages make the sane choice of throwing an error immediately. JavaScript, however, silently gives you back NaN and continues chugging along. By the time a "real" error happens, you're stack traces away from the cause.
What happens when you call a function f with one argument when it expects two? Other languages would throw immediately. Instead, JavaScript silently sweeps in an undefined and continues chugging along. Combine that with the other flaw I mentioned, and your runtime error will, again, be distant from the true cause.
There's a reason TypeScript is getting insanely popular. It's the only way to code large JavaScript projects and stay sane.
Re: Luna – Visual and textual functional programming language
#188im pretty you just got called out and are walking it back now. thats fine. there are lots of ways of handling typing in javascript. i could be reading more into you answers than is there, but your apparent proud ignorance is, i think, fairly deserving of a little bit of public shaming.
Re: Luna – Visual and textual functional programming language
#189Hi guys! My name is Wojciech Danilo and I'm one of the founders of Luna. The timing for this news is a little unfortunate, because we are just before releasing Luna as an Open Source project! However, it's great time to answer some questions and give you a short update what has happened for the last couple months: 1. We've raised a seed round of $1M, so we can safely focus on product development and shortly on commun…
"we are just before releasing Luna as an Open Source project!"
Is there a particular timeline on that? I'd love to see how this is implemented (and - importantly - whether or not this can easily be integrated into other software).
Re: Luna – Visual and textual functional programming language
#190Hi guys! My name is Wojciech Danilo and I'm one of the founders of Luna. The timing for this news is a little unfortunate, because we are just before releasing Luna as an Open Source project! However, it's great time to answer some questions and give you a short update what has happened for the last couple months: 1. We've raised a seed round of $1M, so we can safely focus on product development and shortly on commun…
This really looks fantastic, and I'd love to give it a spin. I could see this being pretty awesome to both use myself on projects, and with people I spend time with helping them learn to develop serious applications. Looking forward to see where Luna goes. Congrats on a great-looking product!
Bob I'm happy you like it! We'd love to hear your feedback after your tests :)