The cherry on top is the history of eugenics in the US, with forced sterilizations extending into the 1970's (!)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States#...
It's a chilling read, not for the faint of heart.
Waymo filing says Travis Kalanick knew engineer had Google info
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#62I'm glad this is happening to Uber.
I do not want such a company to thrive with these type of practices.
I thought they were going to win against Lyft with all these shady practices. And so I just shrug it off and chalk it up for those dirty companies stepping on people.
Glad that the public have been more empathic and a conscious on these disgusting practices. Gives me hope for the future in term of businesses and higher standards.
Re: Waymo filing says Travis Kalanick knew engineer had Google info
#63I'm glad this is happening to Uber. I do not want such a company to thrive with these type of practices. I thought they were going to win against Lyft with all these shady practices. And so I just shrug it off and chalk it up for those dirty companies stepping on people. Glad that the public have been more empathic and a conscious on these disgusting practices. Gives me hope for the future in term of businesses and h…
Please.
Re: Waymo filing says Travis Kalanick knew engineer had Google info
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is less material to the story than the idea that Kalanick wasn't involved in some conspiracy to steal Waymo's tech. The media wants to propagate the story that Uber and Levandowski were conspiring to steal Waymo's technology, but this makes it clear that it wasn't the case, and if there was theft of secrets, it was Levandowski on his own.
The media wants to tell any story that gets attention. Complaining about the media is a distraction, but at least here there's the amusement of accusing the media of conspiring to tell the story of a conspiracy that doesn't exist. The contempt charge is less material to the story you are interested in talking about, but looks rather important to me. And we don't have proof of anything - Maybe Kalanick got cold feet p…
I agree that the entire Levandowski mess is completely Kalanick's fault. He was in completely control when he hired him, and presumably overincentivized him with a $250 million pay package.
But that's a completely different issue than the original point. The point is that there was no conspiracy to steal Waymo's trade secrets. There was no conspiracy to use Waymo's technologies in Uber self-driving cars, who already had hundreds of engineers and professors working on it for years.
We don't know what the full conversation was between the two of them, but we do know from the article that once Kalanick knew that Levandowski had some sort of files, he told him to destroy it immediately and that he didn't want that to be used by Uber. I think that part is very clear.
Re: Waymo filing says Travis Kalanick knew engineer had Google info
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
The media wants to tell any story that gets attention. Complaining about the media is a distraction, but at least here there's the amusement of accusing the media of conspiring to tell the story of a conspiracy that doesn't exist. The contempt charge is less material to the story you are interested in talking about, but looks rather important to me. And we don't have proof of anything - Maybe Kalanick got cold feet p…
I agree that the entire Levandowski mess is completely Kalanick's fault. He was in completely control when he hired him, and presumably overincentivized him with a $250 million pay package. But that's a completely different issue than the original point. The point is that there was no conspiracy to steal Waymo's trade secrets. There was no conspiracy to use Waymo's technologies in Uber self-driving cars, who already…
I do not know that there was no conspiracy, and neither do you unless you have nonpublic information. We have a very narrow slice of information that has been filtered through the legal process.
Your particular slant on the story is great, enjoy. At least you've dropped the cheap media bashing; that was my primary point.
Re: Waymo filing says Travis Kalanick knew engineer had Google info
#66I'm glad this is happening to Uber. I do not want such a company to thrive with these type of practices. I thought they were going to win against Lyft with all these shady practices. And so I just shrug it off and chalk it up for those dirty companies stepping on people. Glad that the public have been more empathic and a conscious on these disgusting practices. Gives me hope for the future in term of businesses and h…
I do not condone all the dirty practices but i always find it amusing how lyft gets a good guy trophy. Well without Uber being there doing the dirty work of fighting regulations Lyft would not exist. I would not want Lyft to go away because it is nice to have that option and competition but I would not wish for Uber to go down after all the major changes they did in last few months. Many companies get away with doing far worse. Uber more than redeemed themself.
Re: Waymo filing says Travis Kalanick knew engineer had Google info
#67How long does Uber have left? Another post about Uber from yesterday said they had around a year left of runway. As an aside: Every day for at least the past month an Uber story talking about their failings has dominated Hacker News. I strongly believe that Uber's problems are extremely importantant, and deserve to be on the front page. But, its really tiring to talk about a company that is stumbling every single day…
Uber isn't going anywhere as long as the industry remains viable. Worst-case scenario, the company is restructured and investors lose their shirts; but you wouldn't kill the world's most recognizable ride-hailing brand.
Re: Waymo filing says Travis Kalanick knew engineer had Google info
#68So to take a kind of backwards view here, are there any consequences for Waymo if they are incorrect in this filing? Or is this the part of legal wrangling where you throw mud and see what sticks? To be sure, there's a great deal of smoke around Levandowski and the Otto acquisition, and probably some fire as well.
There are consequences, but they're more related to the adequacy of Google's basis for making the assertion rather than whether it is ultimately correct or incorrect. Accuracy of representations in filings in federal court is governed by Rule 11: https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/rule_11 . Lawyers and their clients can be (and regularly are) sanctioned for violating the rule. The rule enumerates various requirem…
I understand you are a lawyer, but "After further discovery that could turn out to be wrong ... what matters is that there was some factual basis to begin with." does sound, to the lay person, a lot like throwing mud and seeing what sticks.
Re: Waymo filing says Travis Kalanick knew engineer had Google info
#69How long does Uber have left? Another post about Uber from yesterday said they had around a year left of runway. As an aside: Every day for at least the past month an Uber story talking about their failings has dominated Hacker News. I strongly believe that Uber's problems are extremely importantant, and deserve to be on the front page. But, its really tiring to talk about a company that is stumbling every single day…
You can hide the posts about Uber, and go about your day.
Re: Waymo filing says Travis Kalanick knew engineer had Google info
#70The cherry on top is the history of eugenics in the US, with forced sterilizations extending into the 1970's (!) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States#... It's a chilling read, not for the faint of heart.
Fun fact: The Nazis looked to American Eugenics and race purity laws as an inspiration. It was only after the horrors of WW2 came out that the US rejected these policies.