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Re: Waymo filing says Travis Kalanick knew engineer had Google info

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Post by bogomipz »

parthdesai wrote: post #19
baq wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the mob wants to hear about Uber's problems, the mob upvotes Uber's problems, so there's a lot of content that the mob wants to read on the front page. wait a bit for the topic to cool down. replace the mob with happy users if you wish. disclaimer: i'm a part of the mob, it's a very interesting topic for me.

It's only the people in tech who know about Uber's problems. All of my friends who aren't in tech don't know anything about Uber's problems and use it regularly. Heck i still use it if the surge is below 1.5 since it's either Uber or Taxi.

>"It's only the people in tech who know about Uber's problems."

No it's anyone who reads the Wall Street Journal or the New York Times or watches Bloomberg too. I'm pretty sure that includes much more than techies. Uber has been featured on the front page of both of those newspapers and not just recently.

>"All of my friends who aren't in tech don't know anything about Uber's problems and use it regularly"

That's purely anecdotal.

Re: Waymo filing says Travis Kalanick knew engineer had Google info

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Post by sdenton4 »

ithinkinstereo wrote: post #16
untog wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect how long Uber has left is directly tied to Travis leaving - it was the main investors in the company that pushed him out. I suspect they used the threat of withholding a future round of funding to do so - with Travis out, I imagine Uber is safe to raise another round.

Seems like an empty threat. If they withhold funding their already sizable investments are lost. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Mmmmm, delicious sunk cost...

Re: Waymo filing says Travis Kalanick knew engineer had Google info

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Post by _jal »

ithinkinstereo wrote: post #16
untog wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect how long Uber has left is directly tied to Travis leaving - it was the main investors in the company that pushed him out. I suspect they used the threat of withholding a future round of funding to do so - with Travis out, I imagine Uber is safe to raise another round.

Seems like an empty threat. If they withhold funding their already sizable investments are lost. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Not if you believe your sunk costs are lost if he stays. The game theory is pretty straightforward there.

Re: Waymo filing says Travis Kalanick knew engineer had Google info

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Post by Xylakant »

bogomipz wrote: post #31
parthdesai wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's only the people in tech who know about Uber's problems. All of my friends who aren't in tech don't know anything about Uber's problems and use it regularly. Heck i still use it if the surge is below 1.5 since it's either Uber or Taxi.

>"It's only the people in tech who know about Uber's problems." No it's anyone who reads the Wall Street Journal or the New York Times or watches Bloomberg too. I'm pretty sure that includes much more than techies. Uber has been featured on the front page of both of those newspapers and not just recently. >"All of my friends who aren't in tech don't know anything about Uber's problems and use it regularly" That's pur…

It's actually been in the mainstream news in Germany (Zeit, Welt, Tagesschau iirc) though Germany is certainly a bit of a niche market for them.

http://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/2017-06/travis-kalanick-uber-r...

Re: Waymo filing says Travis Kalanick knew engineer had Google info

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Post by thieving_magpie »

samstave wrote: post #15
throwaway29292 wrote: post #5

I count 4 Uber stories on the front page today. There have been a few every week since the past few months. Will this sordid saga ever end? I feel this is like watching a newsreel about the same topics every few days.

This is a super annoying sentiment: * why cant we shutup about snowden already * stop posting about uber * plenty of other examples * get back to talking about [tech topic] that truly is tech etc... These are important issues. snowden was critically important to discuss. uber is important to learn from. anyone attempting to shut down/stifle/limit discussion or examination/reflection of topics that stem from, affect,…

Don't overreact. The person you replied to was just expressing frustration with a "sordid saga" and questioned when it will end.

It's totally legitimate to feel that way. Conflating it with "stifling" and "limiting" discussion, then suggesting it has a dubious intentions. That's a little dramatic.

Re: Waymo filing says Travis Kalanick knew engineer had Google info

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Post by samstave »

thieving_magpie wrote: post #35
samstave wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a super annoying sentiment: * why cant we shutup about snowden already * stop posting about uber * plenty of other examples * get back to talking about [tech topic] that truly is tech etc... These are important issues. snowden was critically important to discuss. uber is important to learn from. anyone attempting to shut down/stifle/limit discussion or examination/reflection of topics that stem from, affect,…

Don't overreact. The person you replied to was just expressing frustration with a "sordid saga" and questioned when it will end. It's totally legitimate to feel that way. Conflating it with "stifling" and "limiting" discussion, then suggesting it has a dubious intentions. That's a little dramatic.

Sorry, I wasn't saying that he was stifling or had dubious intentions - I am saying in general, if one is too oft complaining, this could be construed...

So, don't overreact to my comment either :-)

It wasn't as heated as may have seemed.

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The next unicorn idea is to be able to accurately convey the tone of a sentiment via text.... maybe all text should be "mood text" and have a font color demonstrating the tone/mood it was written in ;-)

Re: Waymo filing says Travis Kalanick knew engineer had Google info

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Post by pfarnsworth »

_jal wrote: post #23
pfarnsworth wrote: post #10

Why does this article not mention that when Kalanick found out that Levandowski had this material, he immediately told him that Uber didn't want it, and told him to destroy those discs? The Bloomberg article on this topic said this directly. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-22/ex-uber-c...

Perhaps for the same reason you didn't mention the possibility of contempt mentioned in the Bloomberg article? There are multiple ways to tell a story. I realize partisans have discovered that yelling at journalists is a great way to distract from the underlying story, but it works better on Sunday shouty shows and swampy blogs.

That is less material to the story than the idea that Kalanick wasn't involved in some conspiracy to steal Waymo's tech. The media wants to propagate the story that Uber and Levandowski were conspiring to steal Waymo's technology, but this makes it clear that it wasn't the case, and if there was theft of secrets, it was Levandowski on his own.

Re: Waymo filing says Travis Kalanick knew engineer had Google info

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Post by throwaway29292 »

samstave wrote: post #15
throwaway29292 wrote: post #5

I count 4 Uber stories on the front page today. There have been a few every week since the past few months. Will this sordid saga ever end? I feel this is like watching a newsreel about the same topics every few days.

This is a super annoying sentiment: * why cant we shutup about snowden already * stop posting about uber * plenty of other examples * get back to talking about [tech topic] that truly is tech etc... These are important issues. snowden was critically important to discuss. uber is important to learn from. anyone attempting to shut down/stifle/limit discussion or examination/reflection of topics that stem from, affect,…

Yes, I get where you are coming from. I know my comment is somewhat irrational. That is why I examined my own sentiment - why do I want this news to stop? Because it feels like a rehearsed newsreel, a daily television drama. I'm afraid that scrolling HN might soon become like scrolling facebook. Maybe its just personal over-saturation for me, sorry in that case.

P.S. 5 now.

Re: Waymo filing says Travis Kalanick knew engineer had Google info

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Post by chimeracoder »

parthdesai wrote: post #19
baq wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the mob wants to hear about Uber's problems, the mob upvotes Uber's problems, so there's a lot of content that the mob wants to read on the front page. wait a bit for the topic to cool down. replace the mob with happy users if you wish. disclaimer: i'm a part of the mob, it's a very interesting topic for me.

It's only the people in tech who know about Uber's problems. All of my friends who aren't in tech don't know anything about Uber's problems and use it regularly. Heck i still use it if the surge is below 1.5 since it's either Uber or Taxi.

> It's only the people in tech who know about Uber's problems. All of my friends who aren't in tech don't know anything about Uber's problems and use it regularly.

Kalanick's resignation was literally the top story on the NYTimes homepage for a large chunk of the day yesterday, and it's still on the frontpage today (via a separate piece on the topic).

It's not at all just the people in tech who knew about Uber's issues, even before this week. At least since February, it definitely crossed the line into mainstream news. People who read mainstream news might still use Uber for various reasons (lack of other option in their city, price, inertia, apathy, etc.), but this story moved beyond tech news circles months ago.

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