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Re: ICANN Approves Dot-XXX Domain for Porn

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Post by cookiecaper »

jasonlotito wrote: post #16
user24 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"how to avoid a larger part of it" not true though; most of the existing porn will remain where it currently is. New sites might choose to start up with .xxx, existing big sites might buy the .xxx counterpart and keep their .com. The end result is no reduction in non-.xxx porn, and some extra porn on .xxx. Totally pointless.

The other thing is, most responsible adult companies already work to make sure their sites are labeled clearly as adult-only sites. Parents have options to prevent their children from going to these sites. In fact, these sites are safer for children than Facebook when you get right down to it.

It's pretty hard to block these sites because you have to know the domain name/information on each one. Assuming large-scale voluntary compliance, and I think the chances are good that all the "big" producers will move over, it's much easier to just filter the xxx domain and be done with it.

Usually the idea is to keep it away from children because children will willfully look at it without understanding. That page that says "Absolutely DO NOT look at this if you're under 18" has no relevance to an under-18 year old.

It's the same reason we put all other restraints on teenagers; if they were capable of detecting trouble and reliably refusing to participate therein, then they wouldn't need all of the things that are in place to protect them from themselves, foremost among these being parents.

Re: ICANN Approves Dot-XXX Domain for Porn

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Post by jasonlotito »

cookiecaper wrote: post #21
jasonlotito wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The other thing is, most responsible adult companies already work to make sure their sites are labeled clearly as adult-only sites. Parents have options to prevent their children from going to these sites. In fact, these sites are safer for children than Facebook when you get right down to it.

It's pretty hard to block these sites because you have to know the domain name/information on each one. Assuming large-scale voluntary compliance, and I think the chances are good that all the "big" producers will move over, it's much easier to just filter the xxx domain and be done with it. Usually the idea is to keep it away from children because children will willfully look at it without understanding. That page t…

> It's pretty hard to block these sites because you have to know the domain name/information on each one.

No, you do not. There are services out there that assist in this.

http://www.cybersitter.com/ http://www.netnanny.com/ http://www.cyberpatrol.com/ http://www.asacp.org/

Couple this with parental controls in Windows and Mac (I'm sure it has it), and you don't have to know each domain.

> Assuming large-scale voluntary compliance, and I think the chances are good that all the "big" producers will move over, it's much easier to just filter the xxx domain and be done with it.

There already is voluntary compliance amongst the the big producers, as well as the smaller ones. There is no incentive to attract children.

These sites have already a vested interest in their current domains. Do you realize the cost involved with moving domains at the scale you are discussing? For what? To do what's already possible and being done?

I'd be more worried about sites that you wouldn't think to place in .xxx and yet are in many ways worse (looking at you, reddit!)

Re: ICANN Approves Dot-XXX Domain for Porn

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Post by jasonlotito »

Sidnicious wrote: post #18
user24 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"how to avoid a larger part of it" not true though; most of the existing porn will remain where it currently is. New sites might choose to start up with .xxx, existing big sites might buy the .xxx counterpart and keep their .com. The end result is no reduction in non-.xxx porn, and some extra porn on .xxx. Totally pointless.

Ideally, sites will eventually redirect the .com domain to .xxx. Filters will filter it, well-behaving search engines will get rid of the old results, and human-generated links will slowly change over.

Which will provide no additional benefit, but will cause additional problems.

Re: ICANN Approves Dot-XXX Domain for Porn

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Post by SoftwareMaven »

Regardless of the arguments for or against, this is what I thought was sad:

  That claim of independence gave ICANN board member Rita  
  Rodin Johnston pause for thought. "I still question 
  whether, in fact, there is a real sponsored community 
  here," she said in the board-meeting debate before the 
  vote.

  However, she went on to vote in favor of the new domain,   
  saying that despite her personal reservations about the 
  proposal, she felt obliged to by ICANN's decision-making 
  process. "It really doesn't matter what I think. What's 
  important is that ICANN has a process that it set up and 
  the process came back and said that sponsorship criterion 
  was met, and that this board has the courage to follow 
  that criterion," she said.
"It really doesn't matter what I think"?? If you are on the board of any organization, I would argue that it very much matters what you think, otherwise, what is the point?

Re: ICANN Approves Dot-XXX Domain for Porn

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Post by Groxx »

Honestly, I see this as a good thing.

"consumers" will see it as a shortcut to what they're looking for. Thus "hosts" will benefit by owning .xxx domains. Sites without .xxx won't succeed as well as those with. Scale up, and you've got a basic means of organizing sites that didn't exist before.

It of course won't mean that black-listing .xxx domains will mean a porn-free surfing environment. Expecting that is like expecting Wikipedia to always be correct, and I highly doubt it'll even approach Wikipedia-consistency. But admitting porn is out there and providing a way to organize it and keep it a little more separate from non-porn simply cannot be a bad thing.

edit: why does everyone seem to think sites won't own both a .com and a .xxx domain, for at least a respectable period of time? If intarwebIs4porn.com doesn't buy intarwebIs4porn.xxx they'll be slaughtered if a mass migration occurs, because the owner of the domain can camp it for as much as they want. They will buy them. They only stand to lose if they don't.

Re: ICANN Approves Dot-XXX Domain for Porn

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Post by arghnoname »

user24 wrote: post #13
cookiecaper wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

.xxx helps because it allows easier segmentation. xxx sites will be considered "good citizens" for moving over. Filters will block all of them, which is fine because people who'd be filtered significantly (kids) don't have money to spend on this stuff anyway. Others may be filtered only at work but frankly that's a job-saving idea so it keeps money coming in. If you want porn, you know just how to get it; go to any x…

"how to avoid a larger part of it" not true though; most of the existing porn will remain where it currently is. New sites might choose to start up with .xxx, existing big sites might buy the .xxx counterpart and keep their .com. The end result is no reduction in non-.xxx porn, and some extra porn on .xxx. Totally pointless.

It doesn't really seem to harm anything either though. Pornographers can argue against regulations due to the increased ease in filtering, even though in practice I'm sure there will still be plenty of porn on the .com's for the forseeable future.

You could have 'private mode' automatically engage when on .xxx sites.

Re: ICANN Approves Dot-XXX Domain for Porn

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Post by Groxx »

jasonlotito wrote: post #25
cookiecaper wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty hard to block these sites because you have to know the domain name/information on each one. Assuming large-scale voluntary compliance, and I think the chances are good that all the "big" producers will move over, it's much easier to just filter the xxx domain and be done with it. Usually the idea is to keep it away from children because children will willfully look at it without understanding. That page t…

> It's pretty hard to block these sites because you have to know the domain name/information on each one. No, you do not. There are services out there that assist in this. http://www.cybersitter.com/ http://www.netnanny.com/ http://www.cyberpatrol.com/ http://www.asacp.org/ Couple this with parental controls in Windows and Mac (I'm sure it has it), and you don't have to know each domain. > Assuming large-scale volunt…

And how about any of the infinite mirrors which aren't the big producers? And do they block RapidShare? Torrents?

It's impossible to filter it all (maybe with strong A.I., but show me a porn filter that has that and I'll denounce this claim).

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