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How Should Business Schools Prepare Students for Startups?

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Re: How Should Business Schools Prepare Students for Startups?

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I thought the Columbia Startup Lab had an interesting approach: if you form a team consisting of one MBA and one Engineering M.S., they will provide $50K and 6 months residency. Networking events, alumni contacts, seminars, city government resources and much more are all available. But for the most part, they get out of the way and let the team figure things out.

Why do they require either an MBA or M.S.? Anytime you put restriction on something or force a combination, you don't allow it to breathe for possibilities.

Re: How Should Business Schools Prepare Students for Startups?

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As a both a business school graduate and company founder I witnessed this first hand. At my school, the majority of people wanting to do "entrepreneurship" were not really committed to it, but rather dabbling in it. They had an idea and did surveys to "validate" the need and were always looking for random undergraduate engineers to seduce into helping them. That being said, there was a small handful of people who wer…

Ha! In 2013-14 I teamed up with another technical and a non-technical Booth student to create a class called Booth Hacks to teach MBAs and other UChicago students how to code in a practical way ( https://www.facebook.com/groups/boothhacks/ ). I have been coding for 20 years, so I co-wrote and co-taught the lectures. It was an 8 week, 3hrs week course and its success allowed us to convince Booth to offer a real RoR class to its students the following year (your year). You started at Booth the year I graduated. We also worked to launch the MBA/CS joint degree program that is now live. I was not allowed to compete in the New Venture competition you won a year or two later, because I created http://www.doerhub.com/at/uchicago to bridge the gap Michael is talking about in this podcast, and I was serving the startups that ended up competing (so I wasn't allowed to compete). The year I graduated, both winners of NVC and SNVC were users of the site and had found people or received help for their projects due to DoerHub.

Needless to say, I have a lot to say on this topic, and would love to talk to people who want to connect university brains in different disciplines in productive ways, including YC if they are interested. DoerHub is still running, but I just graduated YC Startup School with https://DreamList.com , which feeds off of similar tech, but applies and improves the algorithms by serving much larger and more lucrative problems.

Re: How Should Business Schools Prepare Students for Startups?

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At MBA programs with accelerators, committed entrepreneurs often lose funding to polished classmates with Sales skills, but no actual immediate intention or ability to build a business. That is because between VC and high salaries elsewhere, the grind can be too big a leap when you have loans to pay. YC can easily filter that by looking at an applicant's execution experience in the past, or check if their resume shows more blue-chip brands than meaningful growth. For some, the MBA is a tool, for others it's a merit badge.

It felt like 30%-50% of my classmates got enough credits to get an Entrepreneurship major, because they want to build a business one day, after MBA (just not immediately after, and not necessarily VC-worthy stuff). Entrepreneurship through acquisition, running your own fund, joining VCs, leading family businesses, there are a lot more options for MBAs.

The bigger issue is that top 5 tech giants don't help by acquiring or cloning the work of CS MBAs or those who stick it out as Entrepreneurs. With lack of regulation and increasing market power for the giants, fewer people who can make something worthwhile will be wanting to do startups instead of working for 300-700k at a big company. Ironically, of my committed entrepreneur classmates with tech backgrounds, a lot more of those that started hardware, or healthcare, or food-chain, or other distinctly "non-virtual" startups continue today. That's because the virtual/social/saas ones were aqui-hired.

As a techie at a top MBA program (20 years of coding so far), I took VC and Finance classes, Patent Law, and CS Masters classes to round out my skills, while I built my company till 4 am every night. The MBA experience taught me when NOT to raise money. I've been bootstrapping and focusing on users and now run 2 different sites that are growing well. That MBA is actually paying itself back!

Re: How Should Business Schools Prepare Students for Startups?

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As per PG: Two Types: I think you only need two kinds of people to create a technology hub: rich people and nerds. They're the limiting reagents in the reaction that produces startups, because they're the only ones present when startups get started. Everyone else will move. I guess that could be a good clue onto what to teach. And I'm not sure this is enough actually. For example, you probably need rule of law . My g…

Startups boil down to "build and sell". So a nonbuilder must have the skills, dispositions, contacts, etc. to make the sale and optionally to guide the "what to build" (but never the how).

Alas, from what I have seen, business school students as a whole often see sales as beneath them and would greatly prefer to be in marketing or product management.

Re: How Should Business Schools Prepare Students for Startups?

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Since startups make things and things are the essence of the economy, gain the skill to make things rather than telling other people to make things. If you are a master at business administration then you are a master at telling other people to make things, why would I want you to tell me what to do as a partner in a startup? You have to pay me for that kind of stuff.

My impression, working for a Fortune 500, is that management is largely an information processing task. They are gathering, analyzing, and communicating information, but typically have to deal with both quantitative and qualitative information of varying quality from disparate sources. They are also skilled at certain kinds of tasks such as creating business plans, budgets, etc., and serving them up in a recognizable…

management is largely an information processing task. They are gathering, analyzing, and communicating information, but typically have to deal with both quantitative and qualitative information of varying quality from disparate sources

This layer is going to be utterly destroyed by machine learning when it goes mainstream. The value of an MBA is trending towards zero.

Re: How Should Business Schools Prepare Students for Startups?

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By explaining to them what start-up options are really worth, what the hours really look like, what the office "culture" is, etc. All this so they can make an educated decision about joining one. Ever wonder why startups prey on mostly young naive people? Because they do not YET know better.

In other words: an engineer should never take career advice from a VC.

Re: How Should Business Schools Prepare Students for Startups?

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post #32

As a both a business school graduate and company founder I witnessed this first hand. At my school, the majority of people wanting to do "entrepreneurship" were not really committed to it, but rather dabbling in it. They had an idea and did surveys to "validate" the need and were always looking for random undergraduate engineers to seduce into helping them. That being said, there was a small handful of people who wer…

Ha! In 2013-14 I teamed up with another technical and a non-technical Booth student to create a class called Booth Hacks to teach MBAs and other UChicago students how to code in a practical way ( https://www.facebook.com/groups/boothhacks/ ). I have been coding for 20 years, so I co-wrote and co-taught the lectures. It was an 8 week, 3hrs week course and its success allowed us to convince Booth to offer a real RoR cl…

Haha this is too funny, definitely participated in Booth hacks, thanks for getting this off the ground for us!

Re: How Should Business Schools Prepare Students for Startups?

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By forcing them for half a year into a diffrent job and mindeset with difficult task on a weekly basis. Give them taks that force them to bump into engineering troubles, force them to communicate tech debt, show them there beloved numbers and have another team fabricate them from thin air, by gaming the systems. Show them that a good CEO needs to know all the details.

Re: How Should Business Schools Prepare Students for Startups?

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post #31

I thought the Columbia Startup Lab had an interesting approach: if you form a team consisting of one MBA and one Engineering M.S., they will provide $50K and 6 months residency. Networking events, alumni contacts, seminars, city government resources and much more are all available. But for the most part, they get out of the way and let the team figure things out.

Why do they require either an MBA or M.S.? Anytime you put restriction on something or force a combination, you don't allow it to breathe for possibilities.

They're bureaucrats. Restricting things is their job.
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