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Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by HalteMich » Thu, Jun 22, 2017, 6:10 AM UTC

andrepd wrote: post #195

soldierofhayley wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who do you think pays for the unintelligent people in the welfare society the left envisions? Additionally I do find it rather amusing the left complains that the only reason they don’t win is because of stupid people, and then insists on bringing in the least intelligent immigrants possible, something doesn’t quite add up.

>the left Oh, you're that guy. >Who do you think pays for the unintelligent people in the welfare society the left envisions? If there is one thing that is almost absolutely uncorrelated with IQ is income, so that twisted and repulsive worldview is immedeately shattered by contact with reality. > I do find it rather amusing the left complains that the only reason they don’t win is because of stupid people Show me whe…

I think you're right about the IQ. I believe Nate Silver addressed the fact that Trump voters were generally more well off and educated than supporters of Hillary and Bernie.

Also, Democrat policy making going back to Ted Kennedy has favored poorly educated immigrants from Southeast Asia, Africa and South America in particular. This is a fact and worth researching if you're at all confused about it. Also, these immigrants have been shown to vote roughly 4 to 1 in favor of Democrats.

Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by lopezyignacio » Thu, Jun 22, 2017, 6:10 AM UTC

zabana wrote: post #181

I'm surprised no other country has decided to go ahead and create an equally as open and safe environment for entrepreneurs to start companies. My understanding (which, I'll admit, is only based on my own observations) is that the vast majority of people outside the western sphere still regard the US through what's projected in hollywood movies and aren't really in touch with the reality of what life is in modern ame…

France is currently working on improving conditions for tech entrepreneurs. They recently created the tech visa: http://visa.lafrenchtech.com

Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by HalteMich » Thu, Jun 22, 2017, 6:11 AM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #75

soldierofhayley wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who do you think pays for the unintelligent people in the welfare society the left envisions? Additionally I do find it rather amusing the left complains that the only reason they don’t win is because of stupid people, and then insists on bringing in the least intelligent immigrants possible, something doesn’t quite add up.

> Additionally I do find it rather amusing the left complains that the only reason they don’t win is because of stupid people "The left" doesn't do that, a small minority of the people on the left do. > and then insists on bringing in the least intelligent immigrants possible Even fewer (like zero) people on the left advocate specifically for “bringing in the least intelligent immigrants possible.”

True. It's the right that sees "liberals" as stupid. The other side sees "conservatives" as "evil". Pick your religious fanaticism wisely.

Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by HalteMich » Thu, Jun 22, 2017, 6:19 AM UTC

gnaritas wrote: post #96

soldierofhayley wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who do you think pays for the unintelligent people in the welfare society the left envisions? Additionally I do find it rather amusing the left complains that the only reason they don’t win is because of stupid people, and then insists on bringing in the least intelligent immigrants possible, something doesn’t quite add up.

The "left" is not a single person with a single position, by treating it as such, you're sealing yourself into a personal delusion about others that might make you feel good, but simply isn't accurate. And using derogatory terms like "welfare society" merely shows your own political bias. You know why the "left" confuses you, it's because you don't actually bother to try and understand them; you're happy simply mis-c…

The "right" has simply given up. Look at how the media portrays anyone with "traditional values". Turn on any HBO show to get a glimpse of the condescension (True Detective??). Attempts to shut down Chick-fil-A in various states. Courts that overturn propositions despite widespread support amongst voters even in the most liberal of states. Violent attacks at universities against non-liberal academics and speakers. I've watched American politics for years. There have never been any olive branches extended by the left. And even when the republicans own congress they somehow have to cede control to the democrat (see Obama years for reference). If one were to criticize Obama for his horrendous Middle East policies or his unwillingness to fire AG Eric Holder, s/he would be called racist, bigot, homophobe etc etc etc. Anyone that is on the "right" has essentially checked out now. Good luck getting them back.

Also, the left is just about as good as one person. How could so many people with disparate views that are often in conflict vote as a unified block with such great ease?

Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by angryteabag » Thu, Jun 22, 2017, 6:24 AM UTC

marcell wrote: post #15

From the article: "To qualify for the rule, entrepreneurs would have to meet high standards. A foreigner must demonstrate that he or she will contribute to economic growth or job creation and show that a reputable investor has put at least $250,000 into the company. Under this rule, they can stay in the U.S. for 30 months, with the possibility of a 30-month extension. They cannot apply for a green card during this pe…

I'm a New Zealander and have been trying to relocate to the states for many years. It basically comes down to finding someone to marry me while I am there on my 3 month visiting visa.

Problem is, it's hard enough finding someone to hold my hand in NZ, let alone marriage in another country.

I had high hopes that Clinton would win and I'd have my dream realised. I guess, it was never meant to be.

Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jun 22, 2017, 6:29 AM UTC

xxSparkleSxx wrote: post #186

lazaroclapp wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The U.S. should be doing their very best to have the strongest possible education system for all its citizens (and non-citizens living in the country long term). As should any reasonable country. But the fact remains that, unless you are counting with excellent execution in that regard from the U.S. and abysmal negligence from the rest of the world, you simply can't extract the same talent from a population of 400 mi…

Are we really extracting from a talent pool of 7 billion? The problems we have in America are the same if not much worse in most of the world (except for Europe, I imagine). What % of children in China and India do not have access to decent education or opportunities? I think it's pretty high. My thought process was inspired by the recent article on the estimated 5 million geniuses in India, most of which will go on…

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Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by kbart » Thu, Jun 22, 2017, 6:32 AM UTC

zeusdx wrote: post #229

If US doesn't want startup entrepreneurs there are plenty of other countries that have specialized visas to promote entrepreneurs and talent. For example, UK has "Tier 1 - Entrepreneur Visa" where you can remain and run a company for 5 years. After 5 years, you can apply for extension for another 5 years or apply for settlement. There is also UK "Tier 1 - Exceptional Talent" visa where you can apply to remain and wor…

UK is, arguably, even more immigrant unfriendly. One of the main reasons for Brexit was to limit immigration and immigrants' rights. And nobody knows where UK gonna be in few years time, after Brexit procedures are completed..

Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by soldierofhayley » Thu, Jun 22, 2017, 6:42 AM UTC

HalteMich wrote: post #234

gnaritas wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "left" is not a single person with a single position, by treating it as such, you're sealing yourself into a personal delusion about others that might make you feel good, but simply isn't accurate. And using derogatory terms like "welfare society" merely shows your own political bias. You know why the "left" confuses you, it's because you don't actually bother to try and understand them; you're happy simply mis-c…

The "right" has simply given up. Look at how the media portrays anyone with "traditional values". Turn on any HBO show to get a glimpse of the condescension (True Detective??). Attempts to shut down Chick-fil-A in various states. Courts that overturn propositions despite widespread support amongst voters even in the most liberal of states. Violent attacks at universities against non-liberal academics and speakers. I'…

I love that we all have to create alt accounts to say what we truly believe. The left is truly vicious to any diverse viewpoints.

Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by lucio » Thu, Jun 22, 2017, 6:56 AM UTC

j2kun wrote: post #127

nnfy wrote: post #114

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Why do people seriously believe that presidential administrations are motivated by petty childishness? Do people really believe it to be possible that someone incompetent could make it as far as the presidency? There's far more going on that we are unaware of, be it malice or good intentions, thus it is absurd to believe that our leaders are man children. We are too far removed from primary sources to know the truth.

When the president consistently acts childishly (with corroboration from his staff, videos of him pushing others aside for photo ops, and countless other shenanigans), does one rationally conclude he is childish, or that he is playing "10-dimensional chess?" (as his most zealous champions inevitably conclude) A serious question: what would the president have to do, within reason, for you to consider him petty, childi…

r u sure that you're well informed?

>videos of him pushing others aside for photo ops

Check it out. The Montenegro PM stepped on Trumps foot, both of them react to that.

Ask yourself, What other information have you received in a biased form?

Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by nandemo » Thu, Jun 22, 2017, 7:04 AM UTC

KGIII wrote: post #171

lazaroclapp wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The U.S. should be doing their very best to have the strongest possible education system for all its citizens (and non-citizens living in the country long term). As should any reasonable country. But the fact remains that, unless you are counting with excellent execution in that regard from the U.S. and abysmal negligence from the rest of the world, you simply can't extract the same talent from a population of 400 mi…

The complaints that I read are often that they aren't actually jobs that couldn't be fulfilled here, with local talent. There have been many claims of training your replacement. If you're training them, it seems most probable that you're able to do the job. There is only a small subset that seems to just be bigoted. And, yes, they do exist. I am pretty sure they are low in number. Most of the complaints are about thi…

So your reply to this...

> > This is literally a visa where the requirement is to create jobs for American citizens

is this?

> The complaints that I read are often that they aren't actually jobs that couldn't be fulfilled here, with local talent