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Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by nandemo »

pavlov wrote: post #102

I asked this very question on HN in November 2016: will the "startup visa" survive? Commenters thought that Trump wouldn't interfere with it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12931943 This is a solid reminder that the Trump administration is showing itself to be mostly concerned with undoing anything that Obama did, rather than working for anyone's benefit. You can't apply logic to predict the actions of these pe…

At that time, a lot of people (supporters or not) were under the impression that Trump was okay with legal immigration.

The travel ban made it clear that's not the case (it affected legal immigrants).

In fact, Bannon had spoken against legal immigration before the election, and continues to do so:

"Legal immigration is the real problem"

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/2/2/14472404/st...

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Post by thebooktocome »

andrepd wrote: post #193
soldierofhayley wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"In the normal population, g and IQ are roughly 90% correlated and are often used interchangeably." Sorry the science doesn't agree with what you think it should be, I will be sure to let the scientists know. https://www.iq-tests.eu/iq-test-IQ-and-general-intelligence-...

I literally have no idea what your point with that quote is. Anyway, Wikipedia has a good overview of the main gripes with IQ: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient#Criticis...

Looks like grandparent could use a copy of Vigen's _Spurious Correlations_:

https://www.amazon.com/Spurious-Correlations-Tyler-Vigen/dp/...

I think it'd make a lovely coffee table book.

Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by ktta »

sumedh wrote: post #188
ktta wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current government seems to vehemently oppose the idea of normalizing illegal immigrants.

Why is that a bad thing?

Bad or good is just perspective. I'm just saying the parent comment isn't so right anymore.

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Post by justboxing »

CodeWriter23 wrote: post #196
justboxing wrote: post #21

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> They cannot apply for a green card during this period This will be a deal-breaker for over 95% of the applicants. Even though the H1B Visa is a non-immigrant visa, there was no such clause attached to it like this one. It's what enables 1000s of immigrants (like me) every year to first arrive on a non-immigrant visa and then get the employer to petition their green cards for permanent stay or eventually citizenship…

Nothing personal, but we don't need you here as much as you've been led to believe we do. H1B is white collar union busting, making Americans who have invested deeply in their skill set and education accept less compensation than they were promised when they took those student loans.

> Nothing personal, but we don't need you here as much as you've been led to believe we do.

A vast majority of us (H1B visa applicants and holders) don't believe we are special or that there is a severe shortage of skilled tech workers. Most of us were/are aware that this Visa is abused and it's just a way for Companies in both countries to hire cheap labor and exploit us.

Just that it's the easiest LEGAL way for educated engineers to arrive at -- and later immigrate into -- the United States.

When I came on the H1b visa, I was making 40% less than my American co-worker (we dated briefly, that's how I came to know of her compensation) for the same exact Job Title, Job Description and Primary Job Duties. My Indian "bodyshopper" (that's what the companies that petition H1bs are called in India) refused to give me a raise for 2 years, despite my American manager raving about my performance and telling them to keep me "happy".

Because the other "caveat" with the employer-based immigration in the United States is that if you lose your job, then your Green Card / Permanent residency application goes back to the very beginning with your new employer. So you can potentially lose years of time on the green card processing if you 1) get laid off or 2) you get fired.

Everybody knows this, so they kept us suppressed on the low wages. It's a sort of rite-of-passage. Every Indian, Pakistani and Chinese immigrant I know has gone through this.

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Post by musha68k »

averagewall wrote: post #140
giarc wrote: post #115

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I'm not an American but as an outsider it's so odd to see the anti-Obama stance this government is taking. Look at the US economy coming out of 2008. From my perspective it's done quite well. Unemployment has gone from 10% to 4%, GDP has climbed. S&P and US stocks in general have done exceptionally well. It seems like whatever Obama did was working. Do the Republicans think they can do better? Why not just ride their…

You have the assumption that economic growth is what they want. Trump has a mandate to punish the rich/middle class people so the poor people can feel relatively better about themselves. Startup visas can do nothing to help the poor rural unemployed. They'll probably be happier with a weaker dollar and thus more primary/secondary industry job opportunities. They certainly don't care about unicorns. This is a big popu…

Most Trump voters were not working class though:

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/06/16/93450/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/06/0...

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Post by stevekemp »

lovehashbrowns wrote: post #198
rayiner wrote: post #187

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If I'm looking around the world, is China what I want the US to be more like? It seems like the happiest countries are much smaller places like Sweden and Denmark.

It's definitely not to be more like China. I like the concept of being a more idealized 1950's-style superpower. Far less sexism and racism, while leading the world in science, technology, and culture. The most practical way of achieving that is by taking the best people from other countries and bringing them here into the U.S. I think it's possible to be a superpower and maintain America's identity while also having…

> Do people from outside the U.S. share that same mentality or is it just some culturally-imposed ideal that the U.S. has?

I think the latter, the whole notion of "The Land of the Free" always feels more like aspirational marketing than something true, and real.

I'm from the UK, although these days I've moved to Finland for personal reasons. I'm proud of the UK, and proud to be from the UK, but at the same time we're a country that used to have an empire, and due to a variety of changes we lost it. Some of the things we did when gaining or maintaining that empire, were terrible, others were generally positive.

But either way I think the UK has largely given up on being a world-leader. In some fields they still have a big edge, in others they're falling behind. Either way I think it is fair to say there is no cohesive push for greatness, just different people/groups/fields individually doing what is best for them. (Which could be extrapolated to extremes, e.g. Brexit.)

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Post by kamaal »

KGIII wrote: post #171
lazaroclapp wrote: post #77

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The U.S. should be doing their very best to have the strongest possible education system for all its citizens (and non-citizens living in the country long term). As should any reasonable country. But the fact remains that, unless you are counting with excellent execution in that regard from the U.S. and abysmal negligence from the rest of the world, you simply can't extract the same talent from a population of 400 mi…

The complaints that I read are often that they aren't actually jobs that couldn't be fulfilled here, with local talent. There have been many claims of training your replacement. If you're training them, it seems most probable that you're able to do the job. There is only a small subset that seems to just be bigoted. And, yes, they do exist. I am pretty sure they are low in number. Most of the complaints are about thi…

You just described capitalism as it exists today. Even if you did away with immigration, your problem has barely seen any solution at all.

If your fear is being replaced by someone who is ready to work for less. There are enough kids who will do anything for a job, including taking a good pay cut. To replace you.

The real issue you must be worried about being relevant to the work you are doing. Being productive, resourceful and keeping your skills up to date. And yes never putting yourself in a situation where you think some particular work is beneath your station.

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Post by ktta »

eropple wrote: post #105
ktta wrote: post #98

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You saying that as if rest of the world isn't like that.

It's not. And, if it were, that has no bearing on whether we should.

I'm generalizing a bit, but if you think that the rest of the world isn't then you are very naive. You simply haven't seen the world through the glasses of being a poor and powerless person from a third world country.

Sympathy is dead to governments and most businesses. Especially with the nationalist opinion gaining popularity recently, I would expect sympathy for the fellow human if they're from a different country to die down even more.

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Post by ktta »

ryanmarsh wrote: post #178
ktta wrote: post #144

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The current government seems to vehemently oppose the idea of normalizing illegal immigrants.

It seems that way. However if we really wanted to deny border crossing we would. It just isn't really a priority. The issue gets a lot of air time but do you think if it really was a national priority it would be so easy to cross? When I was a kid we used to cross the river into Mexico to go eat (on hunting trips near the border). We'd pay a guy to row us across and then back. It was a well known thing. People from b…

>if we really wanted to deny border crossing we would. It just isn't really a priority.

I doubt it. If you really wanted to deny border crossing, you'd have to allocate so much money to ICE that it would upend the federdal spending budget. It isn't feasible easily. That would make the current administration look stupider that it already is.

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Post by onion2k »

Software_Sucks wrote: post #153

God forbid that Americans want to hire and grow American talent, right guys? I mean that's just awful.

I'm find it surprising that some Americans don't think their country is big enough or their economy is strong enough to support both local entrepreneurs and foreign entrepreneurs who want to build businesses in the USA. You don't have to choose - you can have both.
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