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Re: Verizon is killing Tumblr’s fight for net neutrality

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Post by oh_sigh »

hellbanner wrote: post #126
enjo wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is light grey. I'm dissapointed in you HN. This is absolutely correct. One common version: Many sells come with some sort of earn-out. Meaning that the company has to perform at some level over some amount of time in order for the buyer to be on the hook for the full amount of the sell price (or some other bonus). It is not uncommon to attach a buy-back clause to the earn-out. If you fail to hit the earn out, yo…

another comment by oh_sigh downvoted out of disagreement with facts: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14597026

Don't cry for me, I'm a low quality poster(or rather, I tend to match the quality of posts I respond to, which are frequently low quality posts) who dang has had to put in place multiple times.

But I will say that I originally created this username many years ago to at least try to rebut ridiculously wrong things which were popularly accepted in the comments section, or right things which were down voted, so I am used to this.

I think this site has a problem in that a poorly stated truth is considered a bad post, but nonsense, as long as it is follows a certain style and rhetorical form is welcomed with open arms. But oh well, it isn't my site to run.

Re: Verizon is killing Tumblr’s fight for net neutrality

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Post by toomuchtodo »

Veratyr wrote: post #129
nickpsecurity wrote: post #116

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Step 1: Hack into a supercomputing center with at least 1Gbps line. Step 2: Massively-parallel downloading of all the sites using clustered nodes, compression of it, and resulting data stored into high-performance, clustered filesystem. Step 3: Move it off of there when traffic is low or overnight if system doesn't go offline overnight.

Step 0: Acquire at least ~1PB of storage to store all the data.

I have over 1PB of storage at my disposal.

Re: Verizon is killing Tumblr’s fight for net neutrality

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Post by dredmorbius »

oh_sigh wrote: post #131
hellbanner wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

another comment by oh_sigh downvoted out of disagreement with facts: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14597026

Don't cry for me, I'm a low quality poster(or rather, I tend to match the quality of posts I respond to, which are frequently low quality posts) who dang has had to put in place multiple times. But I will say that I originally created this username many years ago to at least try to rebut ridiculously wrong things which were popularly accepted in the comments section, or right things which were down voted, so I am use…

If you're a low-quality poster, you'll have to work on downholding your unstandards. You've had some good comments in the past day or so, at least.

The war between truth and various forms of confirmation bias is an old and long one.

Re: Verizon is killing Tumblr’s fight for net neutrality

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Post by dredmorbius »

RangerScience wrote: post #11

If you're a founder and looking to sell your company, is there anything you can do to guard yourself against these kinds of situations? I imagine it might be some particular part of a golden handcuff / golden parachute deal, but making it work for everyone involved sounds super hard...

B-Corp seems to be one option.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benefit_corporation

Re: Verizon is killing Tumblr’s fight for net neutrality

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Post by db48x »

phil21 wrote: post #64
sausman wrote: post #36

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This is my biggest qualm with building a company aimed to sell (either to public markets or another company). You are binding yourself to pursue as much profit as possible through whatever legal means possible. Even if those legal means go against everything you stand for, you have to pursue them because you have a fiduciary duty.

> Even if those legal means go against everything you stand for, you have to pursue them because you have a fiduciary duty. This is not true, and never has been even a little bit true (in the US). It's a commonly misquoted trope. Assuming your company happens to be public (the only way this matters) - you still can do whatever you like as controlling CEO short of outright fraud or negligence. If you decide to switch…

Burning down a building that you actually for-real own might not be illegal, but be careful what you tell your insurer. The fire marshall might be annoyed as well, so warn him first. I wonder if the EPA would have questions as well...

Re: Verizon is killing Tumblr’s fight for net neutrality

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Post by mstodd »

fiatjaf wrote: post #5

Net neutrality makes internet more expensive for everybody so Torrent and Netflix users can be subsidized. It looks right, but it is WRONG to "defend" it using law and force.

Regardless of the outcome, gaining that outcome through legislation (force) is immoral. It's sad that these days the default for a group to get what they want is to use a third party with guns.

Re: Verizon is killing Tumblr’s fight for net neutrality

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Post by dpark »

steego wrote: post #98
dpark wrote: post #66

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> Here's the point: At some future point in time, torrent and video traffic will be negligible faction of the total amount of bandwidth available. What will be taking the rest of the bandwidth? It certainly won't be idle or it won't get built out at all.

That's a very good point and even better pointed question! Part of the value of the network is how much bandwidth one can use in a month. The other part is simply the convenience of being able to send/receive lots of data in short bursts. I'd argue most people don't need to consume lots of data to appreciate 1 Gb connection when it's available. I think you'll find most people are willing to pay a premium for convenie…

> I think you'll find most people are willing to pay a premium for convenience and optionality, even when they don't use it.

Not much of a premium. CenturyLink offers 1gbps in my area. I only know one person who's subscribed to that level of service. Cost has been cited as the deciding factor every time.

Re: Verizon is killing Tumblr’s fight for net neutrality

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Post by PhasmaFelis »

jandrese wrote: post #128
tangent128 wrote: post #119

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It's fairly common for commentary to be added to a reblog via tags rather than after the quoted post, so even reblogs without commentary may need saving.

This assumes there is commentary on Tumblr worth saving.

I'm guessing you've bought into the meme that Tumblr is literally nothing but left-wing politics.

Re: Verizon is killing Tumblr’s fight for net neutrality

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Post by PhasmaFelis »

fiatjaf wrote: post #100
johncolanduoni wrote: post #48

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But the person who makes the decision as to what ends up in the pipe (i.e. the end user, Netflix doesn't just spam people's routers) is the one who is already paying. Netflix isn't crowding anyone out (especially if they have a server within the ISP's perimeter), every bit of that bandwidth is requested by a user. Users crowding each other out is already handled by prioritizing based on how much they pay. Mass of foo…

Right. After reading yours and basically all other replies to my comment I understand that NN isn't supposed to prevent ISPs from limiting individual users' bandwidth or charging more per heavy usage. In those terms I think I can support NN and take back my comments.

Thanks for this. It's good when people can admit they've changed their minds.

Re: Verizon is killing Tumblr’s fight for net neutrality

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Post by fake-name »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #83
fake-name wrote: post #77

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I've had similar problems. At this point, I basically run a botnet, albeit one I pay for. I have a rolling swarm of DigitalOcean and Vultr VMs that act as RPC clients for a custom system I wrote.

We should collaborate.

All my junk is on github already:

https://github.com/fake-name/ReadableWebProxy https://github.com/fake-name/AutoTriever https://github.com/fake-name/IntraArchiveDeduplicator https://github.com/fake-name/MangaCMS https://github.com/fake-name/DanbooruScraper https://github.com/fake-name/PatreonArchiver https://github.com/fake-name/ChromeController

I've been meaning to integrate wpull into my scraper structure, so I can also ship what I scrape off to the internet archive, but I've not had the motivation.

https://github.com/fake-name

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