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Bill Gurley Is Leaving Uber’s Board

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Re: Bill Gurley Is Leaving Uber’s Board

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I remain flabbergasted by all of this upheaval at Uber. What's happening is the sort of housecleaning I would expect if the company had to file for bankruptcy or got caught flat out bribing judges or something. But really, what triggered all this was acting like jerks. It seems to me, what should have happened (a long time ago) was that they got shut down for systematically breaking the law, or encouraging others to…

A jerk is someone who borrows your car and doesn't pay for the dent he puts in the bumper. What happened at Uber was the creation of one of the most insanely hostile work environments in living memory, where flouting not just the law, but also basic standards of human decency, was not only accepted but encouraged at all levels of the company.

Did you work there? This narrative is almost comically hyperbolic.

I know exactly one person who works at Uber. She joined as an engineer about a year ago. I asked; she says it is less sexist than every other place she has worked (especially after all the press), and she likes her job. She also says it's a big company and she doesn't know if it's different in other parts.

Re: Bill Gurley Is Leaving Uber’s Board

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For all the future founders on HN, the lesson here is to never do business with Bill Gurley. He's one of the reasons AngelList exists. I hope his lesser known reputation finally catches up with him and forces him out of Benchmark and out of the VC industry entirely. The Ravikant v. Tolia (and Bill Gurley) Lawsuit: http://blog.ericgoldman.org/personal/archives/2005/02/ravika...

I've never heard of the guy, whats hew known for? Also what's wrong with angellist?

Everything you need to know is linked to on that page I linked to.

Nothing is wrong with AngelList. AngelList is great. It was Bill Gurley's slimey VC actions to conspire with Nirav Tolia against the other Epinions founders and early employees that led Naval Ravikant to found AngelList as an alternative to the VC system.

Re: Bill Gurley Is Leaving Uber’s Board

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I remain flabbergasted by all of this upheaval at Uber. What's happening is the sort of housecleaning I would expect if the company had to file for bankruptcy or got caught flat out bribing judges or something. But really, what triggered all this was acting like jerks. It seems to me, what should have happened (a long time ago) was that they got shut down for systematically breaking the law, or encouraging others to…

Sexual harassment and retaliation against employees for reporting it is not "just being jerks".

It is illegal.

Re: Bill Gurley Is Leaving Uber’s Board

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A jerk is someone who borrows your car and doesn't pay for the dent he puts in the bumper. What happened at Uber was the creation of one of the most insanely hostile work environments in living memory, where flouting not just the law, but also basic standards of human decency, was not only accepted but encouraged at all levels of the company.

Did you work there? This narrative is almost comically hyperbolic. I know exactly one person who works at Uber. She joined as an engineer about a year ago. I asked; she says it is less sexist than every other place she has worked (especially after all the press), and she likes her job. She also says it's a big company and she doesn't know if it's different in other parts.

If 50% of women at Uber are perfectly happy at their jobs, and the other 50% are being subject to an illegal hostile work environment, that is not a good track record.

Even if that number was 10%, or 1%, that is still a horrible track record.

They have perhaps taken the criticism and news to heart and changed their ways, but nobody at all denies that there WERENT problems before.

Uber itself has admitted that there were serious problems, and says that they re going to fix them.

Re: Bill Gurley Is Leaving Uber’s Board

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post #21

I remain flabbergasted by all of this upheaval at Uber. What's happening is the sort of housecleaning I would expect if the company had to file for bankruptcy or got caught flat out bribing judges or something. But really, what triggered all this was acting like jerks. It seems to me, what should have happened (a long time ago) was that they got shut down for systematically breaking the law, or encouraging others to…

I feel like it makes perfect sense. It's capitalism in action. They are free to act like jerks, and their users and stakeholders are free to punish them for it.

Hostile work environments are not "just bring jerks", it is illegal.

Re: Bill Gurley Is Leaving Uber’s Board

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I remain flabbergasted by all of this upheaval at Uber. What's happening is the sort of housecleaning I would expect if the company had to file for bankruptcy or got caught flat out bribing judges or something. But really, what triggered all this was acting like jerks. It seems to me, what should have happened (a long time ago) was that they got shut down for systematically breaking the law, or encouraging others to…

Maybe that's the whole idea. "Pull it" as the man said.

[& p.s. (this is actually kinda delicious) the house of Saud is not gonna be pleased. suckers.]

Re: Bill Gurley Is Leaving Uber’s Board

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post #12

I remain flabbergasted by all of this upheaval at Uber. What's happening is the sort of housecleaning I would expect if the company had to file for bankruptcy or got caught flat out bribing judges or something. But really, what triggered all this was acting like jerks. It seems to me, what should have happened (a long time ago) was that they got shut down for systematically breaking the law, or encouraging others to…

You're assuming the current board didn't have this planned for a long time. Let them break the law to get things done, then clean house after the stage was properly set. I STILL think that people are downplaying the Otto thing way too much, especially on this site. It's easy to say that they're going to win in court... but this is GOOGLE - they're going to spend hundreds of millions of dollars and likely a decade try…

Kalanick still had the majority. The board couldn't "plan" this without his consent.

Re: Bill Gurley Is Leaving Uber’s Board

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you work there? This narrative is almost comically hyperbolic. I know exactly one person who works at Uber. She joined as an engineer about a year ago. I asked; she says it is less sexist than every other place she has worked (especially after all the press), and she likes her job. She also says it's a big company and she doesn't know if it's different in other parts.

If 50% of women at Uber are perfectly happy at their jobs, and the other 50% are being subject to an illegal hostile work environment, that is not a good track record. Even if that number was 10%, or 1%, that is still a horrible track record. They have perhaps taken the criticism and news to heart and changed their ways, but nobody at all denies that there WERENT problems before. Uber itself has admitted that there w…

Sure, but the claim is extraordinary and requires extraordinary evidence

Re: Bill Gurley Is Leaving Uber’s Board

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I remain flabbergasted by all of this upheaval at Uber. What's happening is the sort of housecleaning I would expect if the company had to file for bankruptcy or got caught flat out bribing judges or something. But really, what triggered all this was acting like jerks. It seems to me, what should have happened (a long time ago) was that they got shut down for systematically breaking the law, or encouraging others to…

> caught flat out bribing judges or something. I mean, pretty close: http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-uber-gre... They also have that Otto thing: https://www.wired.com/2017/05/googles-fight-uber-takes-turn-... Oh and yeah, and with the push to #deleteuber and the massive amount of cash Uber's burning (or was), I can't imagine they wont be bankrupt soon[1]. [1] http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/04…

> and the massive amount of cash Uber's burning (or was), I can't imagine they wont be bankrupt soon

let's wait and see what the q2 numbers look like before we start declaring the patient dead.

The (for some reason) publicly reported q1 losses of 700m, were (was?) ~33% better than q4 2016 (1b). if the (presumably) publicly reported q2 numbers are in the neighborhood of 500m, you'd be looking at real growth.

Quarter ends in 2 weeks and the q1 numbers were (for some reason) released right when q1 ended, so maybe we don't have to wait too long.

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