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Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by sergiotapia »

vinhboy wrote: post #81
justinzollars wrote: post #44

We should put boats off the coast of San Francisco like we talked about a few years ago.

Mass + New York + Canada + Seattle + Oregon + Cali will form the nation of America 2.0. Open borders to all US citizens. The rest of the US can mine coal, frack, or whatever they want to do. They think that's where the jobs are. Doesn't matter to us. We'll just speed up the electric, self-driving, car revolution with China and continue working on climate change rules and a global economy with Europe.

Who do you think actually puts the food you eat on the table? Will you eat your self-driving cars?

Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by pavlov »

I asked this very question on HN in November 2016: will the "startup visa" survive? Commenters thought that Trump wouldn't interfere with it:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12931943

This is a solid reminder that the Trump administration is showing itself to be mostly concerned with undoing anything that Obama did, rather than working for anyone's benefit. You can't apply logic to predict the actions of these people.

Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by davidw »

xxSparkleSxx wrote: post #31
justboxing wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They cannot apply for a green card during this period This will be a deal-breaker for over 95% of the applicants. Even though the H1B Visa is a non-immigrant visa, there was no such clause attached to it like this one. It's what enables 1000s of immigrants (like me) every year to first arrive on a non-immigrant visa and then get the employer to petition their green cards for permanent stay or eventually citizenship…

Damn. We might actually have to start investing equally in US children of all socioeconomic classes to ensure we have enough entrepreneurs and bright minds to compete in the global economy. EDIT: WOW, didn't think such an obvious comment would be so controversial (points are swinging up and down cyclically). Do ya'll think we are extremely efficient at turning potential into value from all of our current citizens? Do…

No reason you can't both invest in kids, and welcome people.

Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by maxerickson »

ThrustVectoring wrote: post #27
dgfgfdagasdfgfa wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What, exactly, do landlords contribute to society? Their assets ARE their value. Frankly, my landlord could die and the only people who would care would be the banks. All money means is that you convinced someone else to give you money at some point in life.

>What, exactly, do landlords contribute to society? Efficient allocation of resources to property development. Although that's just a technical distinction, you can get rid of it by separating out the improved vs unimproved value of land (the former is much less problematic than the latter). >All money means is that you convinced someone else to give you money at some point in life. Presumably, the convincing is beca…

The efficiency there is their contribution to the economy. I think often it is not much of a contribution to society.

(compare a pleasant and profitable development to a development designed to exploit government incentives...the latter may well be more "efficient" in terms of economy)

Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by eropple »

ktta wrote: post #98
kefka wrote: post #57

Then lets be blatant and straightforward then. "If you're rich and willing to spend, we want you. If you're average or poor, fuck you."

You saying that as if rest of the world isn't like that.

It's not. And, if it were, that has no bearing on whether we should.

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Post by nnfy »

meetri wrote: post #73
xxSparkleSxx wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Damn. We might actually have to start investing equally in US children of all socioeconomic classes to ensure we have enough entrepreneurs and bright minds to compete in the global economy. EDIT: WOW, didn't think such an obvious comment would be so controversial (points are swinging up and down cyclically). Do ya'll think we are extremely efficient at turning potential into value from all of our current citizens? Do…

I don't see a problem with this. Growing up poor and being an african american, if I wasn't a self taught software engineer, I would probably be in jail or dead with the rest of my siblings. Growing up poor and having to attend local schools are a complete utter joke in this country. Only thing they prepare us for is gangs and jail. Looks like a lot would have to be done for this to change. And given what's going in…

I'm sure you had it worse, but public schools in non poor areas are pretty shitty too, unless you are in honors/ap courses.

And this problem with our schools existed long before trump, and not to sound conspiritorial, but the both GOP and neoliberals like Hillary both seem to have interests in keeping public schools underperforming.

And it isn't a funding problem, either. We spend more per capita on education than most, if not all, other countries.

Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by ant6n »

geon wrote: post #83
pilsetnieks wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because "losing jobs to foreigners" is a political nightmare, especially to the current administration, whose base cares for something like that.

I can't understand that rethoric. You get a new consumer as well, so you have merely increased the population.

> so you have merely increased the population.

And often they're in they're twenties, meaning society didn't have to pay for the expensive first two decades of growing up. Basically a live is 8 decades, 4 decades of which are unproductive, and 4 decades are productive. If you get an immigrant, you get a 6 decades person that's unproductive for only 2 decades -- and some other society paid for those 2 other unproductive decades.

Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by SamUK96 »

Indolat wrote: post #99

Unfortunately, the immigration policies of most countries in the world are one huge stupid joke. Why so much obsession about the country where people were born into? It wasn't their choice at all. It just doesn't matter. The only questions you should be asking are "are they decent people? Are they willing to integrate? Will they contribute to our economy? Will they make us problems?" And none of these questions you c…

This is essentially Australia's system, lauded for it's rather strict and rigorous "points"-based immigration system. If you don't meet enough "we want you as a citizen" points, you're simply denied.

Contrast that to somewhere like the US where there are many very game-able methods of entry, like the utterly shambolic H1-B visa.

Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by nnfy »

lazaroclapp wrote: post #77
xxSparkleSxx wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Damn. We might actually have to start investing equally in US children of all socioeconomic classes to ensure we have enough entrepreneurs and bright minds to compete in the global economy. EDIT: WOW, didn't think such an obvious comment would be so controversial (points are swinging up and down cyclically). Do ya'll think we are extremely efficient at turning potential into value from all of our current citizens? Do…

The U.S. should be doing their very best to have the strongest possible education system for all its citizens (and non-citizens living in the country long term). As should any reasonable country. But the fact remains that, unless you are counting with excellent execution in that regard from the U.S. and abysmal negligence from the rest of the world, you simply can't extract the same talent from a population of 400 mi…

Our domestic talent pool has been decades on the decline for lack of support, uncorrelated with which side of the party aisle the current administration has been.
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