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Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule
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Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
> They cannot apply for a green card during this period This will be a deal-breaker for over 95% of the applicants. Even though the H1B Visa is a non-immigrant visa, there was no such clause attached to it like this one. It's what enables 1000s of immigrants (like me) every year to first arrive on a non-immigrant visa and then get the employer to petition their green cards for permanent stay or eventually citizenship…
Damn. We might actually have to start investing equally in US children of all socioeconomic classes to ensure we have enough entrepreneurs and bright minds to compete in the global economy. EDIT: WOW, didn't think such an obvious comment would be so controversial (points are swinging up and down cyclically). Do ya'll think we are extremely efficient at turning potential into value from all of our current citizens? Do…
Who's "We"? From the context it seems clear you must be talking about US citizens and not non-American HN readers, but aside from that it's not clear. Do you mean Donald Trump, the US Federal Government, individual states, parents of children, or someone else?
Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule
#63Vancouver, anyone? I live in Seattle and I'm about ready to drive two hours north for my next startup. To hire the Russian programmers I'm already working with, or the folks on Kaggle I'd love to hire. The US has a completely broken scheme for visas.
That's just trading one problem for another. Vancouver has a very serious affordability problem. Not only are you going to be paying a lot more for office and living space, you're going to have far fewer opportunities for funding.
I wonder if there is an arbitrage opportunity: invest in real estate and office space north of Seattle and south of Vancouver, just over the border.
Those who can go back and forth and take meetings on both sides. People are within commuting distance of these large metro areas.
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#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd rather have well off individuals entering this country with means to spend and support our middle class.
Tricle-down economics doesn't work. The only people who get empowered to get richer when rich people get rich, are the rich people themselves.
It is not trickle down economics. It is optimizing for the highest amount of tax dollars.
If you have 2 people, one which will contribute >30K a year in taxes, and another that will contribute 10k a year in taxes, that is free money on the table that we are losing out on, if we don't accept person 1.
Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule
#65Vancouver, anyone? I live in Seattle and I'm about ready to drive two hours north for my next startup. To hire the Russian programmers I'm already working with, or the folks on Kaggle I'd love to hire. The US has a completely broken scheme for visas.
That's just trading one problem for another. Vancouver has a very serious affordability problem. Not only are you going to be paying a lot more for office and living space, you're going to have far fewer opportunities for funding.
Still cheaper than SF
Here's an analysis of residential rental prices: http://quantitativerhetoric.com/monthly-rental-report-may-20...
Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule
#66Vancouver, anyone? I live in Seattle and I'm about ready to drive two hours north for my next startup. To hire the Russian programmers I'm already working with, or the folks on Kaggle I'd love to hire. The US has a completely broken scheme for visas.
Last time I checked, Canada is still much stricter when it comes to work visas than the US, though I suppose much less of their capacity is getting eaten up by Infosys-like operations.
I keep hearing the opposite.
When was the last time you checked (no sarcasm), and how did you check?
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#67Earning a lot of money is a pretty damn good proxy for contributing to society. At the very least these people pay some taxes instead of being a drain on society.
What makes that idea difficult is the fact that profits have become decoupled from contribution to society. Anymore, most corporate gains aren't being passed along to the workers, just to the owners. Granted, the equation shifts with small businesses compared to large ones, but the idea that business = improvement is a bit simplistic.
But at a very minimum, you can agree that if someone makes more money, then they will pay more in taxes?
Why shouldn't the government optimize for letting people into the country that are going to give it a lot of tax dollars? We could then use those extra tax dollars to do things that society wants.
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#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're right but your overall argument is wrong for different reasons. Earning a lot of money is a good proxy for contributing to society, except not everyone makes good money all the time. I'm an immigrant and if you were to judge me based on my first few years in America, then clearly you shouldn't let me in to America. Now, at a later stage in my life, I would qualify for "startup visa" but if I wasn't already liv…
I actually completely agree, which is why I am a big fan of IQ testing for immigrants.
>IQ testing
Excuse me for saying, but this alone suffices to reveal your character. IQ is an unscientific measure, full of holes, doesn't correlate in any meaningful way to success, let alone worth to society. IQ testing, really? Not success, not merit, not services to society, f*cking IQ testing. I mean, I take it you would rather have a 170 IQ shut-in doing nothing productive with his talents than a hardworking labourer or a celebrated NGO founder in your country?
I would venture further. If I had to wager I would say you got praised a lot for being smart when you were a child, maybe even got a good score in IQ testing at some point in your life. It skewed your view of things and now you reduce everything to that. But maybe I'm wrong.
Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
I only wondered why US will not open up to the countries, that are known for being safe, with well educated and easy to integrate citizens. US is opening its borders to rich countries instead of opening to safe bets to grab some tech talent. There are numerous countries that fit this profile. The majority of Central/Eastern Europe, few Asian and South American countries, even with Africa having some. Instead, they ex…
A segment of republicans like high skill immigration Democrats like all immigration, refuse to go ahead with high skill only immigration reform unless republican compromise The end result is deadlock.
> Democrats like all immigration,
I'm a Democrat. I don't like all immigration. With some quibbles, I'm mostly behind long existing rules barring certain “bad people” from immigrating.
OTOH, I think hard caps are bad ways of dealing with the social costs of high quantities of immigration of people that aren't excluded, and it would be better to assess direct fees for people who wanted to immigrate beyond the caps (or without a preference category but who aren't personally barred for bad conduct, etc.) And it would be better, in existing preference categories with caps, to align allocation per-country with demand (or just abandon specific per-country allocations altogether and just a use a global limits) so we don't have a handful of countries with very long waits for legal immigration in various categories due to per country, rather than in-total, caps.
I also have issues with the priorities (both positive and negative) implicit in some bits of the existing structure of immigrant and non-immigrant visa categories, but that's kind of secondary.
Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
This comment contributes nothing, but insults another for their worldview.
Why shouldn't we insult myopic, damaging worldviews like the OP's?
You could, but you could also explain why they're myopic and damaging. I realize it's obvious to you but for the people in general the impression that it passes is that you don't have arguments and resort to name-calling. Seeing as you probably actually have good points to make, it's a shame that this is what transpires.