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Re: Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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Post by KirinDave »

hunterjrj wrote: post #106
KirinDave wrote: post #94

This is... Not the best? That Wal-Mart is powerful enough to dictate the internal business practice and tech decisions of it's vendor. On the other hand, Amazon is a massive immoral monster devouring the US economy and replacing it with something vaguely worse, year by year. It's rapidly approaching a "too big to be allowed to fail" status, and that's awful for Americans. Since anti-trust laws weren't written by a ge…

Can you expand a bit on your suggestion that Amazon is approaching a "too big to be allowed to fail" status? Are you speaking specifically about AWS?

AWS is definitely a worry, as increasingly it's the fabric american business is woven from. Shutting that down or raising its prices suddenly would severely disrupt US business.

But secondary effects of lost sales from vendors would almost certainly upend the vendor table and make goods very difficult to get ahold of. Amazon as a delivery service (and its smile boxes, ads for its own products on said boxes, and specialized delivery frameworks) is as much of an American institution as the post office now, and growing as it takes over its own delivery and logistics.

Re: Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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Post by throwaway2048 »

disiplus wrote: post #34
tallanvor wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's nothing that says a company couldn't run their service on both AWS or another provider as long as they can guarantee that Wal-Mart's confidential data is not stored on AWS. Honestly, it's not an unreasonable request from a corporate security standpoint.

aws does not have access to that data, so it does not make sense. walmart are trusting third party with that data, but are somehow afraid that amazon would break in its own system to look at your data, something that would kill aws. i dont think that data is of that value, if it where it would be inhouse.

They most certainly DO have access to that data, its naivety to the point of farce to suggest they don't.

The real question is do they access it in compromising ways?

Re: Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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Post by toomuchtodo »

talmand wrote: post #107
eli wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That Wal-Mart is powerful enough to dictate the internal business practice and tech decisions of it's vendor. Wal-Mart is pretty infamous for squeezing suppliers & vendors on price and operating procedures. Hard.

I recall a story about one vendor deciding it would be more profitable to separate from Wal-Mart and take the declining sales hit versus the dictated profit margin. I believe it was a lawn mower company?

Snapper mowers.

https://www.fastcompany.com/54763/man-who-said-no-wal-mart

Re: Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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Post by user982 »

snowwolf wrote: post #17

Is this because they actively want to discourage any revenue going Amazon's way from Wal-Mart related business activities, or because they don't trust Amazon not to look at the data hosted on their platform? If the latter, then I think that's just extreme paranoia. If there was ANY evidence of Amazon doing that it would destroy everyones trust in AWS and I suspect people wouldn't be able to move away fast enough (Whi…

> If there was ANY evidence of Amazon doing that it would destroy everyones trust in AWS and I suspect people wouldn't be able to move away fast enough

The major telecoms were all revealed to be giving American users' data, traffic, and communications directly to the NSA a few years ago. Did you move away from them? Did anybody you know?

As a historical reminder, those revelations were considered to be shocking at the time.

Re: Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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Post by KirinDave »

smt88 wrote: post #99
KirinDave wrote: post #94

This is... Not the best? That Wal-Mart is powerful enough to dictate the internal business practice and tech decisions of it's vendor. On the other hand, Amazon is a massive immoral monster devouring the US economy and replacing it with something vaguely worse, year by year. It's rapidly approaching a "too big to be allowed to fail" status, and that's awful for Americans. Since anti-trust laws weren't written by a ge…

I've never heard of conglomerates being broken up, as long as they didn't have too much share of any single market. Amazon may end up like Uber: forcing competitors to upgrade their technology, but not succeeding in stamping the competitors out entirely.

> I've never heard of conglomerates being broken up, as long as they didn't have too much share of any single market.

Maybe that should change. But... even if we take it at face value...

Name a company in the world that is competing at scale and cost with AWS.

In the US, Amazon is definitely nowhere near suffering a loss of customers from Google and Microsoft's offerings. and they're securing massive contracts with key institutions in the US.

There's 1 in China, I guess. That market isn't freely accessible.

Cloud services providers are a New Thing but a Thing which is absolutely critical to the world market. It's utterly unregulated right now, and that's pretty crazy given how much power it has. The only thing holding AWS rates in check is the threat of competition from 2 other American companies, and the hope of securing more critical telcom and bank contracts.

Re: Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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Post by [deleted] »

hunterjrj wrote: post #106
KirinDave wrote: post #94

This is... Not the best? That Wal-Mart is powerful enough to dictate the internal business practice and tech decisions of it's vendor. On the other hand, Amazon is a massive immoral monster devouring the US economy and replacing it with something vaguely worse, year by year. It's rapidly approaching a "too big to be allowed to fail" status, and that's awful for Americans. Since anti-trust laws weren't written by a ge…

Can you expand a bit on your suggestion that Amazon is approaching a "too big to be allowed to fail" status? Are you speaking specifically about AWS?

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Re: Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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Post by 23david »

snowwolf wrote: post #17

Is this because they actively want to discourage any revenue going Amazon's way from Wal-Mart related business activities, or because they don't trust Amazon not to look at the data hosted on their platform? If the latter, then I think that's just extreme paranoia. If there was ANY evidence of Amazon doing that it would destroy everyones trust in AWS and I suspect people wouldn't be able to move away fast enough (Whi…

It's not paranoia. An ex-Amazon manager told me fairly recently that they look at customer performance data (trends etc) when evaluating future business opportunities.

So once you start getting traction and customers, there's some internal product manager evaluating whether it's worth entering your market.

Re: Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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Post by mtanski »

betaby wrote: post #103
mtanski wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tu quoque, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque I'm not sure this quippy needs a reply ... but seriously, you should respond with more then a pure logical fallacy.

You committed fallacy of seeing fallacy. While I committed fallacy of pointing out to fallacy of seeing fallacy. Here you go https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy

"since it contains a fallacy, its conclusion must be false"

Actually, this is not quite true in this case. I pointed out the fallacy but also the fact he uses no argument / data to prove his point. I made no such claim that his statement is false (or because of the fallacy is false).

Re: Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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Post by KirinDave »

cholantesh wrote: post #109
KirinDave wrote: post #94

This is... Not the best? That Wal-Mart is powerful enough to dictate the internal business practice and tech decisions of it's vendor. On the other hand, Amazon is a massive immoral monster devouring the US economy and replacing it with something vaguely worse, year by year. It's rapidly approaching a "too big to be allowed to fail" status, and that's awful for Americans. Since anti-trust laws weren't written by a ge…

>Amazon is a massive immoral monster devouring the US economy and replacing it with something vaguely worse, year by year Hasn't the same thing been said about Walmart?

Yes. And I'd agree.

To wax metaphorical, I'd rather the monsters devour each other while we race for a super-weapon to defeat all monsters and protect real people.

This situation where corporations are effectively replacing the state is not exactly what I had in mind when I said the world would be a better place with a diminished role of the State in individual life.

Re: Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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Post by [deleted] »

smt88 wrote: post #99
KirinDave wrote: post #94

This is... Not the best? That Wal-Mart is powerful enough to dictate the internal business practice and tech decisions of it's vendor. On the other hand, Amazon is a massive immoral monster devouring the US economy and replacing it with something vaguely worse, year by year. It's rapidly approaching a "too big to be allowed to fail" status, and that's awful for Americans. Since anti-trust laws weren't written by a ge…

I've never heard of conglomerates being broken up, as long as they didn't have too much share of any single market. Amazon may end up like Uber: forcing competitors to upgrade their technology, but not succeeding in stamping the competitors out entirely.

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