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Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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Re: Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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Post by jessaustin »

mtanski wrote: post #16
kennydude wrote: post #11

> “Tactics like this are bad for business and customers,” Because Amazon's tactics aren't bad for business or consumers?

Tu quoque, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque I'm not sure this quippy needs a reply ... but seriously, you should respond with more then a pure logical fallacy.

The "strong" form of tu quoque you evoke here seems sort of like bullshit. "Do as I say, not as I do" is fine if we're talking about uncontroversial stuff like buying too many lottery tickets or drinking too much beer. If the point is actually in doubt, which it always is for economic questions, it's no fallacy to demand that I put my money where my mouth is. If I really believe that people can safely jump out of airplanes without parachutes, I should be doing it, rather than just telling others to do so.

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Post by ue_ »

greggyb wrote: post #59
ocschwar wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And then using its monopoly power to demand their suppliers take action against Amazon's monopoly power. We really are slipping into the 1870s.

I dunno, sounds almost like competition when you put it that way.

The idea that competition is some kind of holy grail which we must as a society aspire to maintain, I think, is very narrow minded and suffering from tunnel vision.

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Post by DomreiRoam »

michaelbuckbee wrote: post #32

Interesting that Netflix (biggest competitor to Amazon Prime Video) still is on AWS. Not sure who is being savvy and who is being short sighted.

I think they have the expertise to switch to another solution quite fast and if amazon try something nefarious it would be a very bad signal to their customer and maybe will alert government bodies like the EU's Directorate-General for Competition and others. So is it possible amazon to try this? sure but I will say it's improbable.

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Post by pcunite »

noxToken wrote: post #50
samfisher83 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But they keep prices low. People can go shop at their mom and pop store, but a large majority of people want low prices. They sell 1/2 a trillion worth of stuff. They have a bigger economic impact on America than google, Facebook,Apple etc.

> People can go shop at their mom and pop store, but a large majority of people want low prices. People really underestimate how much of an impact this has. Here's a completely made up example. Let's say a person of a family of 4 goes grocery shopping once per week. This person buys 30 grocery items on each shopping trip. The difference between Wal-Mart and the local place might only be $0.25 per item. Is it really w…

I shop at Walmart not so much for the monetary savings, but for the time/trip savings. It's a super center, so I can get oil for the trunk and ice-cream for the kids. Otherwise, I'd have to go to O'Reilly's then go 5 ~ 10 miles to get ice-cream, oops forgot to get eggs, think I'll get that lawn chair too etc. It's an offline Amazon.

My family actually drives past regular stores because of the selection at a super center.

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Post by owebmaster »

frgtpsswrdlame wrote: post #72
greggyb wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dunno, sounds almost like competition when you put it that way.

Our economy is based on the idea that David can defeat Goliath. Seeing two Goliaths commanding armies of Davids into each other and calling it competition is a pretty strange corruption of that idea.

> Seeing two Goliaths commanding armies of Davids into each other and calling it competition is a pretty strange corruption of that idea.

But it is a better "military" tactic than an economy based on David defeating Goliath.

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Post by rockostrich »

michaelbuckbee wrote: post #32

Interesting that Netflix (biggest competitor to Amazon Prime Video) still is on AWS. Not sure who is being savvy and who is being short sighted.

Their CDN (which I assume is the majority of their operating costs) isn't.

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Post by perseusprime11 »

throwaway2048 wrote: post #30
perseusprime11 wrote: post #18

This is stupid! Walmart is loosing it. Generally happens when you are getting ready to lose, you start becoming erratic. Everybody forgets how WalMart single handedly destroyed the mom and pop shops of America putting them out of jobs.

Its not stupid to not want to feed money and data about your operations to a direct competitor. Maybe amazon would look at the data, maybe they wouldn't but if they did they would do it in a way that was nearly 100% impossible to ever prove. Corporate espionage is a very deep rabbit hole, and goes on far more often than people think it does. Why give them the opportunity to do so?

It is very hard to do business if you think like that. Do you think Amazon sabotaged Netflix on the day before Thanksgiving a while back to further their own business? I don' think so.

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Post by mabbo »

throwawaymanbot wrote: post #42

If Wal-Mart decrees this, put up or shut up. Welcome to business. CEO Diktats about using not using competitor services for anything whatsoever, are as old as Microsoft. Wal-mart is not in the cloud business, so I can only wonder if, as others have commented, it is about data security in AWS domain, since Wal-Mart's main competitor is Amazon. We know what Google and Facebook get up to with peoples data, why would Ama…

Peeking at competitor data would be a short term great idea, long term terrible idea. You do it once, you'll do it again. You do it too many times, someone will rat you out and now your losing customers fast.

Amazon may not be the most ethical company, but they've never been accused of short term thinking. It's just completely outside of what if expect from them.

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Post by perseusprime11 »

thrillgore wrote: post #35
perseusprime11 wrote: post #18

This is stupid! Walmart is loosing it. Generally happens when you are getting ready to lose, you start becoming erratic. Everybody forgets how WalMart single handedly destroyed the mom and pop shops of America putting them out of jobs.

You're letting personal feelings about Walmart get in the way of rational thought. Remember: If not them, Amazon certainly would have done the same.

I agree. Amazon would do the same. I am responding to all the articles that are sympathetic to Wal-Mart.

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Post by oceanstone »

michaelbuckbee wrote: post #32

Interesting that Netflix (biggest competitor to Amazon Prime Video) still is on AWS. Not sure who is being savvy and who is being short sighted.

“The best way to express it is that everything you see on Netflix up until the play button is on AWS, the actual video is delivered through our CDN,” Netflix spokesperson Joris Evers said.

http://www.networkworld.com/article/3037428/cloud-computing/...

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