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Supreme Court Says People Can’t Be Banned From The Internet

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Re: Supreme Court Says People Can’t Be Banned From The Internet

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Post by izacus »

denzil_correa wrote: post #12
dis-sys wrote: post #3

This is now interesting. Apparently prisoners in the US and many other countries are not allowed to have Internet access. In the US there is a system in place that allows inmates to communicate text only emails. I don't think you can call that plain text messaging "the Internet" in 2017. With this supreme court ruling, how prisons in the US are going to allow inmates to have access to the real Internet? I mean you ca…

Ban != Access You can NOT ban someone from the Internet but you may deny access to Internet in prisons.

What's the difference?

Re: Supreme Court Says People Can’t Be Banned From The Internet

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Post by skocznymroczny »

DiThi wrote: post #14
amelius wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps a prison would even be the ideal environment for working on e.g. a large open source project.

That would have meant ReiserFS would have continued.

sudo kill -9 wife

Re: Supreme Court Says People Can’t Be Banned From The Internet

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Post by maxlybbert »

dis-sys wrote: post #3

This is now interesting. Apparently prisoners in the US and many other countries are not allowed to have Internet access. In the US there is a system in place that allows inmates to communicate text only emails. I don't think you can call that plain text messaging "the Internet" in 2017. With this supreme court ruling, how prisons in the US are going to allow inmates to have access to the real Internet? I mean you ca…

The headline (and perhaps the article; I haven't read it since the headline is so bad) overstates the importance of the ruling.

The case involved someone on his state's sex offender registry. He was also prohibited from accessing social media sites, and got in trouble for posting a complaint about a traffic ticket on Facebook.

The actual ruling is that not allowing him on any social media site for any reason was too broad. Apparently the opinion makes comments about how important internet access is to modern society, which does give a hint about how the court might rule in the future, but a concurring opinion says there's no need to go off into the weeds for that discussion.

Re: Supreme Court Says People Can’t Be Banned From The Internet

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Post by mtgx »

Tomte wrote: post #16
brandonmenc wrote: post #9

re: sex offender lists and sentencing The implication is that the people on the list are still a threat. If that's true, shouldn't they still be in prison?

No. You don't get thrown into prison for being a threat. You get there for a specific action.

Unfortunatley, with the machine learning hype, a lot of companies are pushing "AI-assisted software" that does put people in prison for "being a threat" or for a longer time they should normally get, simply because of factors like being black, or poor, or from a bad neighborhood, etc.

https://www.propublica.org/article/machine-bias-risk-assessm...

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/apr/13/ai-progra...

Re: Supreme Court Says People Can’t Be Banned From The Internet

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Post by bitwize »

What's gonna end up happening is law enforcement is going to strike deals with the major sites like Facebook and Twitter, which are the internet now, to ban anyone on the sex offender rolls -- and nothing much of value will be lost. These companies are not ready for the shitstorm of outrage that will ensue when it is discovered that they are allowing predators to communicate with children.

Re: Supreme Court Says People Can’t Be Banned From The Internet

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Post by Udik »

Tomte wrote: post #16
brandonmenc wrote: post #9

re: sex offender lists and sentencing The implication is that the people on the list are still a threat. If that's true, shouldn't they still be in prison?

No. You don't get thrown into prison for being a threat. You get there for a specific action.

On the other hand, you can only be considered a threat as a consequence of specific actions you took in the past. When you get out of prison that means that, according to the law, you're no longer a threat, and there shouldn't be any reason or justification for limiting your freedom or shaming you publicly by putting your name on a list.

Re: Supreme Court Says People Can’t Be Banned From The Internet

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Post by IceyEC »

izacus wrote: post #21
denzil_correa wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ban != Access You can NOT ban someone from the Internet but you may deny access to Internet in prisons.

What's the difference?

I can't stop you from going online but I don't have to give you a computer to access it?

Re: Supreme Court Says People Can’t Be Banned From The Internet

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Post by GhostVII »

dis-sys wrote: post #3

This is now interesting. Apparently prisoners in the US and many other countries are not allowed to have Internet access. In the US there is a system in place that allows inmates to communicate text only emails. I don't think you can call that plain text messaging "the Internet" in 2017. With this supreme court ruling, how prisons in the US are going to allow inmates to have access to the real Internet? I mean you ca…

You cannot ban someone from the internet, but you are not forced to give them access to it if they do not already.

Re: Supreme Court Says People Can’t Be Banned From The Internet

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Post by izacus »

IceyEC wrote: post #27
izacus wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the difference?

I can't stop you from going online but I don't have to give you a computer to access it?

Again what's the difference? Your actions forbade someone from using the internet, what's the difference besides playing dumb word games?

Re: Supreme Court Says People Can’t Be Banned From The Internet

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

izacus wrote: post #21
denzil_correa wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ban != Access You can NOT ban someone from the Internet but you may deny access to Internet in prisons.

What's the difference?

Cigarettes aren't banned. That doesn't mean everyone gets free cigarettes.
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