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Conglomerates Didn’t Die, They Look Like Amazon

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Re: Conglomerates Didn’t Die, They Look Like Amazon

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>The conglomerate was supposed to be dead, a relic of a bygone of era of corporate America. That's not even close to being true. How does someone get a job on a supposedly reputable newspaper writing such daft shit? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conglomerates

The first paragraph of the article states: Investors, we have been repeatedly told, want smaller, nimbler, more focused companies." Who's we ? If, by investors , they mean a fairly specific subset of investors, namely Venture Capitalists* and Angel Investors , then yes. But otherwise, no. People aren't bailing out of established conglomerates. Not that I'm aware of.

The conglomerate discount is real - about 10% on average in developed countries. This applies to public companies, so is a revealed preference of institutional and retail investors, not VCs and angels.

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>The conglomerate was supposed to be dead, a relic of a bygone of era of corporate America. That's not even close to being true. How does someone get a job on a supposedly reputable newspaper writing such daft shit? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conglomerates

Yeah even before seeing that list (which was much longer than I had expected), I could name Berkshire, the mega-food groups, the mega-media groups, Koch Industries, and General Electric as conglomerates.

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Ben Thompson has a great take on this... https://stratechery.com/2017/amazons-new-customer/ Essentially amazon develops services and buys the best customer for said services to ensure they get used.

This is a really amazing and clever idea on Amazon's part: Taking a system or technology that you've already built and are maintaining, and make it accessible to others as a platform. Then continue using that platform as if you were a/the best customer. They did it with AWS, they've done it with their retail business, and now they're probably going to do it with AmazonFresh/WholeFoods. It makes a lot of sense, and it…

But by allowing others on their network they are more vulnerable to security breaches.

Re: Conglomerates Didn’t Die, They Look Like Amazon

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>The conglomerate was supposed to be dead, a relic of a bygone of era of corporate America. That's not even close to being true. How does someone get a job on a supposedly reputable newspaper writing such daft shit? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conglomerates

A counterpoint suggests the concept's been losing ground:

https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=conglomerate&y...

The concept is an old one, dating to the late 19th century. In the 1960s and 1970s, the new phenomenon was the "multinational corporation".

https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=multinational%...

Re: Conglomerates Didn’t Die, They Look Like Amazon

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>The conglomerate was supposed to be dead, a relic of a bygone of era of corporate America. That's not even close to being true. How does someone get a job on a supposedly reputable newspaper writing such daft shit? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conglomerates

Yeah even before seeing that list (which was much longer than I had expected), I could name Berkshire, the mega-food groups, the mega-media groups, Koch Industries, and General Electric as conglomerates.

Not to mention companies like Samsung and similar Korean / Asian megacompanies that do everything from consumer electronics to container ships.

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>The conglomerate was supposed to be dead, a relic of a bygone of era of corporate America. That's not even close to being true. How does someone get a job on a supposedly reputable newspaper writing such daft shit? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conglomerates

Agreed, I'm surprised to see something of the sort on NY times. It's pure sensationalism.

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>The conglomerate was supposed to be dead, a relic of a bygone of era of corporate America. That's not even close to being true. How does someone get a job on a supposedly reputable newspaper writing such daft shit? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conglomerates

A counterpoint suggests the concept's been losing ground: https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=conglomerate&y... The concept is an old one, dating to the late 19th century. In the 1960s and 1970s, the new phenomenon was the "multinational corporation". https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=multinational%...

"Conglomerate" is a latinate word for "put together", which is to say that it doesn't immediately refer to the idea of a parent company with controlling interests in several subsidiaries over different markets so you're bound to pick up different uses of the same word. For instance, "conglomerate" is also a technical term in geology. Just check out the hits from the 19th century.

Also, I'm wary of using n-grams to infer anything about the relevance of concept because there are such things as intellectual fads, and some expressions might suddenly hit public consciousness and later fade away without the idea it referred to ever becoming any less relevant. MacLuhan's media theory, for instance, became an intellectual fad in the 1970s and MacLuhan hit celebrity status. Later on, it faded away, but I don't think what he was describing became any less relevant. This kind of stuff is noticeable to anyone, though they might be hard pressed for examples: just try and notice how the buzzwords in your field changed over time.

The expression "multinational corporation", as well as the word "globalization", were also fads of the 1970s too. At the time, they were more like academic fads: researchers started taking notice of these things and suddenly they became "a thing" among academics as it was a frontier research topic. Later on they hit public massively, probably peaking around the late 1990s and early 2000s with the 1999 Seattle riots, the FTAA debates and just the overall shift towards massive multilateral agreements coupled with shrinking governments. Nowadays neither of the two is as "in" as it was back them either in political or academic debate, but the concepts themselves aren't any less relevant. Or at least that's my two cents on the whole issue.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a really amazing and clever idea on Amazon's part: Taking a system or technology that you've already built and are maintaining, and make it accessible to others as a platform. Then continue using that platform as if you were a/the best customer. They did it with AWS, they've done it with their retail business, and now they're probably going to do it with AmazonFresh/WholeFoods. It makes a lot of sense, and it…

But by allowing others on their network they are more vulnerable to security breaches.

I'd wager they are much less vulnerable to security breaches because of that. It forces them to treat all their tenants as potentially hostile whereas otherwise they might fall in to the usual trap of thinking that behind the corporate firewall life is good and everybody can be trusted.

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I don't know what the fetish is with Amazon. The article is ridiculous in suggesting Amazon putting Walmart out of business when it only started making real money in 2016. Amazon made $2B in 2016 and $0.6B in 2015, lost $0.2B in 2014. Walmart made $13B last year... but the article says Amazon is the one with the better mouse trap and "impervious to the natural life cycle of a conglomerate"? huh? With the toxic cultur…

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> another aim of governments should be to keep wages high enough to maintain a standard of living Disagree. The aim of government should be to enable the elimination of every single job while also enforcing a fair distribution of wealth. Wage regulation is a traditional capitalist approach to solving this problem. There are other approaches which might need to be tried in the coming decades..

Wage regulation is capitalist? Sounds pretty central-planning to me.

i agree! in fact, you know what would be a really efficient form of capitalism? what if we just eliminated wage regulation, and the marginal costs of workers to our business entirely, by making them slaves!
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