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Why is cycling so popular in the Netherlands?

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Re: Why is cycling so popular in the Netherlands?

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Southeast Asia is heavy on bikes, and used to be more so than now, and they didn't have infrastructure or culture --it was need. Japan is heavy into bikes too, and there aren't dedicated lanes, not that I'd object, but it's not necessary to make it popular. The one thing in Japan, where accidents aren't as regular as in southeast Asia, is that both bikes and cars obey traffic signals --I think that helps a lot. Also…

Right, in Japan you don't need dedicated lanes quite as much because of the narrowness of the streets, plus it being accepted to bike on the sidewalk when there's room. And of course density being high in Japan helps.

>accepted to bike on the sidewalk

When I walk on the sidewalk in Tokyo i'm always waiting to be clipped by a bicycle because I changed direction too quickly. You see people riding bikes through shoulder to shoulder crowds.

Re: Why is cycling so popular in the Netherlands?

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> The famously flat Dutch terrain, combined with densely-populated areas, mean that most journeys are of short duration and not too difficult to complete. > Few Dutch people don lycra to get out on their bike, preferring to ride to work, the shops or the pub in whatever clothes they think appropriate for their final destination. > Of course, the cycle paths lend themselves to sauntering along in summer dresses in a w…

People usually bike quite leisurely in the Netherlands. You can easily bike 10-15km in reasonable time without sweating, especially if you're used to riding a bike.

One difference between the NL, and most US cities, is climate. There's a large portion of the US that gets much hotter, and much colder than Amsterdam. My town gets 10 degrees F hotter, and 30 degrees F colder.

I ride in regular clothes during the summer, but it takes some planning, notably starting early in the morning and riding slowly.

Re: Why is cycling so popular in the Netherlands?

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It does mention that: > The famously flat Dutch terrain, combined with densely-populated areas, mean that most journeys are of short duration and not too difficult to complete. The problem in the US is, in no small part, due to zoning. I've been making my way through this: http://amzn.to/2tkSbsH - "Zoned in the USA" And the detailed look at how other countries do things is interesting - they're certainly no "libertop…

I like this lecture by Andres Duany: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL01072BB79369B705 The most relevant part: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1X5uVR5NxY&list=PL01072BB79...

I love the way he describes the pedestrian in the artist's impression as "theoretically possible".

Re: Why is cycling so popular in the Netherlands?

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The idea for Amsterdam is to make the bike look unique, not always unnatractive, the more homogenous looking and mechanically sound, the more attractive to thieves. Amsterdam is a smalll place so having a fluro green bike with a number plate of your name welded to the frame is a good deterrent.

Take care with welding - not every material likes welding, and especially not home-made welding without proper stress relief. Drilling for rivets is also dangerous when done incorrectly. You do not want to be riding at full steam when the frame cracks, it's nasty.

Really though it's probably mild steel which is not heat-treatable. Mild steel fairly weak (for steel) but it doesn't get much stronger or weaker from heat exposure and isn't brittle.

High carbon, stainless, and fancy stuff is where you can run into problems. In general you won't see this on car or bike frames, too expensive in bulk.

If it's a newer bike it's probably aluminum which you can usually still weld with impunity. If it was high grade alloy the heat could matter, but as far as I know nobody cares that much about bike frames. Heat treatment, or "seasoning" in the case of some aluminum is expensive.

Source: used to cut up old bikes and weld the frames into crazy chariot contraptions we would tow around

Re: Why is cycling so popular in the Netherlands?

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The idea for Amsterdam is to make the bike look unique, not always unnatractive, the more homogenous looking and mechanically sound, the more attractive to thieves. Amsterdam is a smalll place so having a fluro green bike with a number plate of your name welded to the frame is a good deterrent.

Take care with welding - not every material likes welding, and especially not home-made welding without proper stress relief. Drilling for rivets is also dangerous when done incorrectly. You do not want to be riding at full steam when the frame cracks, it's nasty.

> frame cracks

Steel is real, man. It'll bend, not break.

But in seriousness, yeah, I was following very closely behind a fellow who snapped his fork jumping over a bump in the road. I almost went over him. Despite the helmet, he lost memory of the accident. I called an ambulance for him and left my number. He called me the next day asking what had happened.

It was a nice aluminum frame, looked in good condition. Always check carefully for hairline fractures when buying a used aluminum bike.

Re: Why is cycling so popular in the Netherlands?

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> If anything, having a tatty, battered old > bike affords more status as it attests to > a long and lasting love. As an Amsterdam resident: What a romantic characterization of our high crime rates! Yes, the reason I still ride a shitty old beater of a bike is definitely my long lasting love for that piece of shit, it's not because I know that if I buy anything fancy I'm going to have to never take my eyes off of it,…

I have a rusty old steel frame. Three nice wheels and a hubs on it so that it rides great.

15 years, noones touched it... San Francisco, which probably doesn't come far after Amsterdam in terms of bike theft.

Re: Why is cycling so popular in the Netherlands?

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I agree with your reasoning about preferential road usage, but would have preferred it without the economic diatribe. Two unpowered wheels does not necessarily imply poorer than four powered wheels. Relative wealth is an irrelevance to your main argument about preferential speed.

I would also bet, the the average car driver on a road is less rich than the average bike rider on a road.

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Re: Why is cycling so popular in the Netherlands?

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No, it absolves the forward operator of everything and blames the rearward operator for everything. You often can't pass another motorist without going into the oncoming lane either. The fundamental question is whether you see the road as a way for all people, or if you see it as primarily a resource for the wealthy, with the poor allowed provisional access based on their degree of disturbance to the flow of money. Y…

I agree with your reasoning about preferential road usage, but would have preferred it without the economic diatribe. Two unpowered wheels does not necessarily imply poorer than four powered wheels. Relative wealth is an irrelevance to your main argument about preferential speed.

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Re: Why is cycling so popular in the Netherlands?

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O-locks are pretty much just a nice place to keep your keys while you're biking. Everyone I know goes for separate chains, usually on the pricier end. From what I hear the ones that look like round padlocks are ridiculously easy to break, and the ones with the square lock part with two pins is considered among the best (but sadly also annoying to use). But that's what multiple bike shop owners told me and they all wa…

The thing with an O lock is that is locks the rear wheel. A chain lock then can lock both the frame and front wheel to a pole. Although not 100% safe, most thieves will look for easier targets.

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Re: Why is cycling so popular in the Netherlands?

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We have mild, flat, and dense. Boston and NYC, for example. I think the only missing piece in many cities is funding and prioritization.

NYC is not mild compared to Amsterdam. According to this source (admittedly just the first I Googled), Amsterdam is on average 13F cooler in the summer, which IMO makes a huge difference when relying on it for your daily commute. [1] http://www.amsterdam.climatemps.com/vs/new-york.php

There are many cycling-happy cities in Europe with different weather and geography[0]. Barcelona is pretty warm, for example.

[0] https://www.wired.com/2015/06/copenhagenize-worlds-most-bike...

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