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Move Over, Bitcoin. Ether Is the Digital Currency of the Moment

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Re: Move Over, Bitcoin. Ether Is the Digital Currency of the Moment

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereumfraud/comments/6bgvqv/faq_w...

care to post a TLDR?

It has this as a summary:

"Ethereum is an unsecure, trust-requiring, centralized, mutable platform that runs stoppable apps and censors people Ethereum Foundation (EF) dislikes - the opposite of what it advertises itself as. Ethereum Foundation misrepresents what Ethereum is to prospective investors for increasing the value of the traded asset ETH while profiting financially. This means, by definition, Ethereum Foundation is participating in fraud by continuously misleading investors. Furthermore, the act of suddenly changing the properties of the unregistered security after the sale of the security in the initial coin offering (ICO) and/or on exchanges while profiting personally constitutes securities fraud. Additionally, Ethereum Foundation is connected to damaging the value of sold assets, damaging the value of competing assets, theft from competition, and market manipulation of competing assets for profit."

Re: Move Over, Bitcoin. Ether Is the Digital Currency of the Moment

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Ethereum has over 4.5x as many full nodes as Bitcoin, how is it more decentralized?

Bitcoin also only has one client with one development team whereas Ethereum has multiple clients with multiple development teams. Tell me more about that legendary Bitcoin decentralization.

Having one or more clients doesn't mean much. Eth is organizationally centralized because of the eth foundation. It literally has a dear leader (vitalik), and no different from crypto issued by, say, the fed.

The entire point of crypto is that it tries to solve the problem with existing currency (fiat), which is too tightly controlled by a few individuals.

Re: Move Over, Bitcoin. Ether Is the Digital Currency of the Moment

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post #7

No it is not, and as far as crypto is concerned - mainstream media is almost always wrong. This really reads like PR for vitalik. Eth is great as a developer platform, and it can/does have a future. However, btc will remain the true king because of its decentralized nature.

Why? That's a big statement. Expand on it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereumfraud

Re: Move Over, Bitcoin. Ether Is the Digital Currency of the Moment

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post #14

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What bookstores do you buy from that accept bitcoin?

You can buy gift cards for lots of major retailers with bitcoin. You can even buy from amazon via purse.io.

purse.io is a money laundering operation for stolen credit card numbers. If it hasn't been shut down yet and its operators arrested, it will be soon.

Re: Move Over, Bitcoin. Ether Is the Digital Currency of the Moment

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ethereum has over 4.5x as many full nodes as Bitcoin, how is it more decentralized?

Bitcoin also only has one client with one development team whereas Ethereum has multiple clients with multiple development teams. Tell me more about that legendary Bitcoin decentralization.

> Bitcoin also only has one client with one development team

Nope. See below.

https://github.com/bitcoinclassic/bitcoinclassic

https://github.com/BitcoinUnlimited/BitcoinUnlimited

https://github.com/btc1/bitcoin/tree/segwit2x

Re: Move Over, Bitcoin. Ether Is the Digital Currency of the Moment

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What bookstores do you buy from that accept bitcoin?

You can buy gift cards for lots of major retailers with bitcoin. You can even buy from amazon via purse.io.

Everything I have ever read about purse.io indicates that the gift cards there are purchased with stolen credit card details.

Re: Move Over, Bitcoin. Ether Is the Digital Currency of the Moment

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What is the advantage in creating an Ethereum smart contract over a regular contract in our legal system (using a lawyer and some pen and paper)?

If code has bugs (and sufficiently complex code will always, always, always have bugs) you simply have to suffer the consequences (sorry for your loss) or the entire community can choose to execute a hard fork and rewrite history (see DAO). If a vanilla legal contract has some typos or even some semantic differences that lead to ridiculous outcomes, lawyers and judges will hash it out. People, not computers, make the final decisions in our legal system, so human errors are mostly tolerated. If I sneak a clause into a contract saying that the other party must pay me their entire salary every year, it would be voided in an instant. Not so if placed in a "smart" contract.

Perhaps you could say that Ethereum is better than our legal system because it's decentralized. But I don't think it's enough to say something is better simply because it's decentralized. Why should I be afraid of a centralized legal system? We elect politicians, who choose judges (who have to be confirmed by legislative bodies whose members we also elect). Sure, it's not perfect, but it's hardly the tyrannical system that would make me turn to the bug-ridden wild west of Ethereum smart contracts.

I think the only reasonable argument in favor of Ethereum contracts is that they are easier to create (less friction, don't need to hire a lawyer, etc), but that's hardly a good thing. Real life contracts are expensive for a reason, not because Rothschild & Co. have some other nefarious plans. You need lawyers to write good contracts and think through their consequences, as well as reasonable, human judges to decide issues when they arise. Ethereum, to me, seems a purely ideological creation, not one rooted in actual needs that people have. Sure, it's decentralized and immutable (unless a contract hurts the wrong people, lol) but did anyone really want that (except for those with ideological reasons, i.e. libertarians)?

Not trying to start a flamewar, I just want to hear a strong opposing viewpoint on this.

Re: Move Over, Bitcoin. Ether Is the Digital Currency of the Moment

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Ethereum is an obvious ponzi pump and dump scam. I like how they frame the DAO hack as an opportunity for growth rather than a gross display of incompetence followed by a breaking of the original promise of immutability of the platform, which is what it was.

I think it's more accurately described as a platform for Ponzi schemes and pump and dump scams.

Re: Move Over, Bitcoin. Ether Is the Digital Currency of the Moment

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post #27

What is the advantage in creating an Ethereum smart contract over a regular contract in our legal system (using a lawyer and some pen and paper)? If code has bugs (and sufficiently complex code will always, always, always have bugs) you simply have to suffer the consequences (sorry for your loss) or the entire community can choose to execute a hard fork and rewrite history (see DAO). If a vanilla legal contract has s…

I think the term "smart contract" is a misnomer. Sure, you could write a code similar to one I use: Store money and confirm that I am alive every year (by means of me sending a transaction to the contract). If I don't send this transaction, all money is released to my daughters account. This looks like a standard contract.

Now, dApps (distrubuted applications) also use "smart contracts" as the backend, but they do so much more than act as "contracts". For example, Golem is a computation market, Augur is a prediction market, etc. There is a whole universe of applications that can be written on Ethereum that do not quite fit under a simple "contract that you can write using a lawyer and some pen and paper" umbrella.

Re: Move Over, Bitcoin. Ether Is the Digital Currency of the Moment

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1. Ethereum will always have more consensus failures than bitcoin. It has a larger attack surface, and competing implementations. 2. Ethereum will always be more risky because they abuse the "default option" power over apathetic nodes. Thus any regulator can just have them make aml/kyc/sec reg a requirement and bye bye efficiency. 3. Ethereum was always have more down time than bitcoin, check out 2017 for instance. (see point 1.) 4. Ethereum has 3x less reddit users, a couple x less twitter mentions, a few x less wallets, a few x less press, a few x less years of testing, less hardware wallets, less adoption in nearly every way. 5. Ethereum tricks devs into loser far more money with "smart" contracts that have bugs, than bitcoin does with accidentally sending change to the miner instead of to a new address. 6. Smart contracts will always be dumb as long as you have to trust a signal from the real, non digital world (oracle problem.) If you have to trust anyway, then just let the oracle do it all. 7. There's nearly no demand for the gas you're supposed to buy with ETH to make ETH valuable at all, unless you like it's speculative platform utility. Gambling on gambling. 8. Their blockchain is bloated grows faster than many users can download it. It's transactions per a second is maybe 3x bitcoins. It's very likely sharding and other solutions will not "work" if you care about immutability/trustlessness. 9. Ethereum is more centralized, more risky, down more often, and always will be.
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