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Social Cooling – How big data is increasing pressure to conform

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Re: Social Cooling – How big data is increasing pressure to conform

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Hmmm... There's one side of this which is straightforward. Companies and governments are compiling data for their own purposes, which range from modeling user behaviour to profiling you so that they can sell you stuff or arrest you for dissidence. The lines we previously defended for privacy, freedoms of conscience, affiliation and speech have been disturbed, to say the least. This has generaly been done under the su…

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Re: Social Cooling – How big data is increasing pressure to conform

#22

A related question: can privacy be quantified? And if so, how? On what bases? Thoughts I've had: Total quantity of data available? Ability to define boundaries? Ability to enforce those boundaries? Knowledge of what boundaries to even define? Who knows what about a person? How many agents know what? How aware is the subject of actual knowlesdgee? How rapidly can that knowledge be further transferred? Does the surveil…

What is the goal in asking these questions?

Re: Social Cooling – How big data is increasing pressure to conform

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I was going to write at length about my concerns on this topic, and then I decided not to. Because it's entirely possible that one day many years from now, a prospective employer/insurer/whatever finds such a comment and flags me for it. That's the cooling effect in a nutshell.

Future employer can blow me.

Re: Social Cooling – How big data is increasing pressure to conform

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We are in the age of "virtue signalling" people pretend to hold what they believe are popular virtues. Is it possible to mention "Donald Trump" and not cause an uproar of virtue signalling?

Virtue signalling is only a subset of this problem. It's an important one because of the way it interacts with human psychology, but it's not the whole story. This goes into things like "not being able to post those photos of me getting blasted last weekend", being unable to partition one's identity such that you might be able to keep your sexual orientation details away from people you may not want to know them, and all sorts of other things well beyond the political issues of the day. (Sexual orientation may be a "big political issue" too, but in this case I'm referring to the personal dimensions of those issues.)

Re: Social Cooling – How big data is increasing pressure to conform

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post #3

I was going to write at length about my concerns on this topic, and then I decided not to. Because it's entirely possible that one day many years from now, a prospective employer/insurer/whatever finds such a comment and flags me for it. That's the cooling effect in a nutshell.

Future employer can blow me.

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Re: Social Cooling – How big data is increasing pressure to conform

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post #24

We are in the age of "virtue signalling" people pretend to hold what they believe are popular virtues. Is it possible to mention "Donald Trump" and not cause an uproar of virtue signalling?

Virtue signalling is only a subset of this problem. It's an important one because of the way it interacts with human psychology, but it's not the whole story. This goes into things like "not being able to post those photos of me getting blasted last weekend", being unable to partition one's identity such that you might be able to keep your sexual orientation details away from people you may not want to know them, and…

I absolutely agree with you about the subset however the fear of being different is huge and I believe that plays into what people say online. People have lost jobs with inappropriate online rants, sometimes racial or religious discrimination sometimes being negative toward an employer or even looking for another job. Wrong signals can cost you a lot. I am really glad it is been debated/discussed

Re: Social Cooling – How big data is increasing pressure to conform

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> People are starting to realize that this 'digital reputation' could limit their opportunities. (And that these algorithms are often biased, and built on poor data.)

That's interesting of itself, but the bigger underlying issue is that opportunities are becoming more concentrated. When only a few companies dominate hiring in many fields, their mistakes get seriously amplified. Back in the day you were fine if Google's hiring process misjudged you - you could work for Excite or Altavista instead. Nowadays if some ML algo decides that people wearing blue sneakers are worse job performers you can get screwed (without even knowing why). And even worse, the major companies (where the jobs are) often share algorithms.

Re: Social Cooling – How big data is increasing pressure to conform

#29
It's been depressing to think about the (mostly harmless) fun I used to have on the Internet in years past. I miss the wild-west with bizarre magazine, 4chan when it full of anon and battle-toad threads, bandedup.com, Kazaa, and downloading crazy anarchist cookbooks from mIRC. At this point myspace was more fun than our facebook filled with grandmothers.

I've been wondering if I'm just old now and don't know where the fun is anymore, but IRC seems dead, and everything else is reserved for masturbation purposes.

Re: Social Cooling – How big data is increasing pressure to conform

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post #3

I was going to write at length about my concerns on this topic, and then I decided not to. Because it's entirely possible that one day many years from now, a prospective employer/insurer/whatever finds such a comment and flags me for it. That's the cooling effect in a nutshell.

Future employer can blow me.

I understand the sentiment, but future you might be pissed at your current cavalier attitude.
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