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Ask HN: What do you want to see in Debian 10 (“buster”)?

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Re: Ask HN: What do you want to see in Debian 10 (“buster”)?

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post #80

- HEADLINE: Easier DEB repository creation. - DESCRIPTION: Creating a custom remote/local/CD/DVD repo or a partial mirror is simply a nightmare, mainly because package management internals are poorly documented. There are many tools developed to just solve this problem, but most of them aren't actively maintained. Aptly seems like the best right now, but is way much complicated and inflexible.

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Re: Ask HN: What do you want to see in Debian 10 (“buster”)?

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post #188

- HEADLINE: port pledge(2) from OpenBSD - DESCRIPTION: Debian has been a great source of innovation and leadership within the OSS world. Make the next big move by adopting pledge(2) from OpenBSD to be the first major mandatory security feature on Linux. There is little hassle in making programs use it, and the LOC in the kernel is tiny compared to say SELinux. See [1] for more details. [1] http://www.openbsd.org/pape…

That's really something that needs to be driven from upstream - you can't really add syscalls in distro patches.

Re: Ask HN: What do you want to see in Debian 10 (“buster”)?

#233

HEADLINE: First class ZFS install support on Live CD. DESCRIPTION: The license conflict between the open source ZFS and open source Linux kernel mean ZFS needs to be in contrib. Unlike a lot of other packages in contrib, ZFS doesn't rely on any non-free software. It just can't be in Debian main because of the conflict of licenses. However, it would be nice if there was a way to have a more official path to ZFS on roo…

Absolutely seconded.

Decent support for ZFS in general, especially during installation already.

Ideally, ZFS root filesystem support (snapshot before upgrade, yay!).

I've been using ZFS for six(?) years now, on both Debian and Ubuntu, and while ZFS root is so important to me that I'm willing to jump through the necessary hoops to install it, it's kinda grating and perhaps riskier. And not for the faint of heart.

Re: Ask HN: What do you want to see in Debian 10 (“buster”)?

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HEADLINE: a merger of flatpkg and snap DESCRIPTION: a consensus on the next generation of package management. Please. We have had decades of fragmentation (not to mention duplicated innovation) around the RPM vs DEB ecosystem. Which is why it is still hard for beginners to want to use Linux - try explaining to anyone who comes from a Mac about rpm vs deb vs whatever else. Which is why they would pay for the mac rathe…

> try explaining to anyone who comes from a Mac about rpm vs deb vs whatever else. Which is why they would pay for the mac rather than use Linux ("its too hard to install software").

How does that make any sense whatsoever? You have three different systems to choose from ... and you choose one of them because the other two are different from one another?!

Re: Ask HN: What do you want to see in Debian 10 (“buster”)?

#235

HEADLINE: Easier way to create local packages DESCRIPTION: My first distro was Debian. Then, for a while, I used Arch. But it kept irritating me with its total disregard for backwards-compatibility (symlinking /usr/bin/python to python3), coarse-grained packages (want to install QEMU PPC without pulling in every other architecture as well? too bad!), lack of debug packages (good luck rebuilding WebKit just to get sta…

Re Easier way to create local packages, you can use dh-make[1] to populate the packaging with some templates that might make your job a bit easier :)

[1] https://packages.debian.org/en/sid/dh-make

Re: Ask HN: What do you want to see in Debian 10 (“buster”)?

#236

HEADLINE: a merger of flatpkg and snap DESCRIPTION: a consensus on the next generation of package management. Please. We have had decades of fragmentation (not to mention duplicated innovation) around the RPM vs DEB ecosystem. Which is why it is still hard for beginners to want to use Linux - try explaining to anyone who comes from a Mac about rpm vs deb vs whatever else. Which is why they would pay for the mac rathe…

Just came to add another comment on how bad it was - I just wanted to download pypy for some experiments. http://pypy.org/download.html > download PyPy from your release vendor (usually an outdated version): Ubuntu (PPA), Debian, Homebrew, MacPorts, Fedora, Gentoo and Arch are known to package PyPy, with various degrees of being up-to-date. This is the world of Linux software installation.

> This is the world of Linux software installation.

Homebrew and Macports are OS X, not Linux.

Re: Ask HN: What do you want to see in Debian 10 (“buster”)?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the very least "unstable" has a name with a negative connotation. It has the air of it being the user's fault if you use it and stuff breaks. I don't know what the practical breakage situation is, so I don't know if renaming and repositioning unstable would make more sense than doing it with testing. My point is that it would be good for non-expert end users who like Debian's community image and who want security​…

Have you actually tried unstable? Granted, I haven't used it for a few years now (the only Debian boxes I have today are servers running stable), but "unstable" was actually quite reliable. Yes, it did break occasionally (mostly just minor issues with package dependencies) but those were usually easy fixes and "unstable" was actually quite usable as an everyday, desktop Linux. If you haven't tried it, give it a shot.…

I used a daily-updated unstable for a while, and every so often, like once per 18 months to 2 years or so, I'd hit an early boot (grub/initramfs) bug that rendered my system unbootable. Early boot is dark magic to me, and without internet access (because my system wouldn't boot) it would take me a few hours to fix. By the time I did, someone else had filed an RC bug report which would have prevented that package from upgrading, and it was generally fixed a few hours after that. But that didn't help me fix my broken system.

That was the risk I accepted. That's what unstable is for. And you need somewhere like that to find those bugs.

But that's what you need to be able to handle if you run unstable. So I never recommend it to anyone; if anything I warn people off. If you can't make do with stable+backports, try testing. But don't try unstable unless you know enough about it to understand why you shouldn't, and still want to anyway.

Definitely don't run unstable because someone on the internet told you it was a great way to get up-to-date packages.

Re: Ask HN: What do you want to see in Debian 10 (“buster”)?

#238

HEADLINE: Easy way to use multiple screens with different DPI DESCRIPTION: Many laptops (e.g. Macbook Pro) come with retina screens, but most of us use 'regular' monitors. Even after setting org.gnome.desktop.interface scaling-factor and playing with xrandr, it can be difficult or impossible to get a single external non-retina display set up in the right position and without one screen containing tiny text (or huge t…

Pssst: since you mentioned mbp, you might know ;)

Is mbp retina supported? All my attempts to get things to look right (using XUbuntu) failed :( Any cheat sheets?

Re: Ask HN: What do you want to see in Debian 10 (“buster”)?

#239
post #55

- HEADLINE: Continue to provide a mechanism for offline installation of a large selection of the repository. - DESCRIPTION: Debian is the only distribution that I know of that provides .iso images from which you can install the operating system and subsequently install a wide range of (libre) software. In addition, Debian provides update .isos. These affordances make installing and maintaining a desktop computer with…

> without an Internet connection, or with a slow and expensive connection Could you elaborate more on your particular use-case? Would be interested if there were also compromise solutions such as smarter binary diffs, etc.

The internet is often prohibitively expensive for a small minority of users. But those users often have infrequent access to a high-bandwidth connection.

And of course, odds are that they won't be reading this thread!

I've often been in this situation myself.

Re: Ask HN: What do you want to see in Debian 10 (“buster”)?

#240

HEADLINE: Keep selected packages up-to-date on stable DESCRIPTION: If you are using Debian, especially stable, you have to put up with outdated packages. This is especially a problem with browsers, although you do include security updates and track Firefox ESR, if I understand correctly. But things like Webkitgtk do not recieve updates, and lack feature and security wise after a while. I think keeping up-to-date vers…

I disagree. Stable should mean fixed, except for security bugs. You say "no breaking changes", but the Debian devs can only test the base system, they can't ensure that it won't break whatever software is running on the user's machine. In fact, my system may have a workaround for a bug that shipped with stable, and which might break if the bug is fixed later! Stable is stable, (non-security) bugs and all.

Plus, the point of the pre-release freeze is to make sure the whole system is stable. If you're constantly releasing new versions of packages, you can never guarantee that kind of stability.

Personally, I think people should just try Unstable; it works fine for a desktop/laptop system. I haven't had a major issue in years.

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