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Will Vue.js become a giant like Angular or React?

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Re: Will Vue.js become a giant like Angular or React?

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Post by nope123 »

scriptkiddy wrote: post #67
nope123 wrote: post #29

Nope. React has 10 people in its core team, highly compensated to work on React. There is at least one genius among those 10. Think of Fiber and how it works. VueJS may copy that model but in this sense, as in the case with JSX, they're a follower. They are not a thought leader. Just a sink/collector for React haters.

Maybe you should share your opinion with Even You at the next conference you go to and see how he takes it. Writing Vue off like this is an insult to it's creator. Evan works really hard on maintaining and improving Vue for what probably amounts to pennies on the dollar when compared with the money Facebook pumps into react. I'm not saying that you're wrong about Vue not being a "thought-leader" or whatever, just tha…

Point well taken.

Re: Will Vue.js become a giant like Angular or React?

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Post by julianmarq »

seanwilson wrote: post #95
yunyu wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vue templates are checked at compile time with the default runtime-only distribution, and the DSL it uses is arguably more checkable than JSX.

Sure, I'm just saying I don't understand how people that like dynamic typing can't see the productivity value in being told e.g. a variable isn't defined or a function call is missing arguments at compile time.

You don't understand? Just read the thousands, probably millions, of explanations on that and other advantages and disadvantages of both dynamic and static languages in the thousands, probably millions, of discussions that have been about it for the past sixty years.

What? You thought dynamic languages were a new fad? They have existed as long as computer science has, exactly like static languages.

For what it's worth, the "productivity value" is demonstrably minimal if we're talking about good coders. And it's not like bad coders wouldn't run into roadblocks with static languages that don't exist in dynamic ones.

Re: Will Vue.js become a giant like Angular or React?

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Post by mythz »

mythz wrote: post #109
azr79 wrote: post #22

I went Angular, because I can get a well paid job very easily, it's a very fun Framework to work with, TypeScript is awesome, it's complete, fast and powerful, is backed by Google and has a huge community. Vue might be fun to work with, but it doesn't have all the advantages of Angular (or React) I listed above.

We ship Vue.js + TypeScript + Webpack templates: http://docs.servicestack.net/templates-single-page-apps Vue.js also has the nice advantage of being able to use HTML, TypeScript and SASS within the same .vue component: https://github.com/ServiceStack/Templates/blob/master/src/Si...

Vue.js is simpler and complete with integrated well-documented core components that's much faster than Angular.

Vue being stewarded by Benevolent Dictator is why it has an elegant design that's more pleasurable to use. Angular2+ has morphed into another design by committee complex monstrosity requiring much more code, conceptual and cognitive overhead to achieve the same result.

Re: Will Vue.js become a giant like Angular or React?

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Post by julianmarq »

shaneos wrote: post #16

It's a bit disingenuous to say that Facebook uses Vue for Newsfeed. It's on a marketing site, not on a performance and business critical part of the site. These marketing sites are very often built by contractors, not FB engineers, and tend to be one off efforts. Not to knock Vue, but it weakens the message when deliberately misleading info like this is used

I've seen the word "disingenuous" used many, many ways over the internet. People keep using this word, I don't think it means what most people think it means.

Because it doesn't: "not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does."

There's nothing insincere about saying that newsfeed.fb.com uses vue because it does. It isn't pretending to know less, if it were false, it'd be pretending to know more.

Disingenuous doesn't mean "I don't like that this person said x", or "I like y, so I don't like that this person said a good thing, even if true, about x."

It's becoming a pet peeve.

Re: Will Vue.js become a giant like Angular or React?

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Post by julianmarq »

nope123 wrote: post #29

Nope. React has 10 people in its core team, highly compensated to work on React. There is at least one genius among those 10. Think of Fiber and how it works. VueJS may copy that model but in this sense, as in the case with JSX, they're a follower. They are not a thought leader. Just a sink/collector for React haters.

Yes, I will agree with you, someone who's never created anything of worth nor ever will. And I know this because you have so little agency you had to use a throwaway account to write this.

Re: Will Vue.js become a giant like Angular or React?

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Post by seanwilson »

julianmarq wrote: post #122
seanwilson wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, I'm just saying I don't understand how people that like dynamic typing can't see the productivity value in being told e.g. a variable isn't defined or a function call is missing arguments at compile time.

You don't understand? Just read the thousands, probably millions, of explanations on that and other advantages and disadvantages of both dynamic and static languages in the thousands, probably millions, of discussions that have been about it for the past sixty years. What? You thought dynamic languages were a new fad? They have existed as long as computer science has, exactly like static languages. For what it's wort…

> You don't understand? Just read the thousands, probably millions, of explanations on that and other advantages and disadvantages of both dynamic and static languages in the thousands, probably millions, of discussions that have been about it for the past sixty years.

I've worked a lot with static and dynamic types, read a lot about both and in my opinion static typing has clear and obvious advantages.

> For what it's worth, the "productivity value" is demonstrably minimal if we're talking about good coders. And it's not like bad coders wouldn't run into roadblocks with static languages that don't exist in dynamic ones.

Why is being a "good coder" a factor? Everyone makes mistakes and teams will always consist of a mixture of skill levels. On large code bases especially, getting compile time errors on basic problems like referring to non-existent variables and calling functions with wrongly type arguments is undeniable time saving in my opinion. Types also enable better refactoring automation and autocomplete. All of these are great for small projects and even better for big projects with lots of team members.

What advantages does dynamic typing have that could outweigh those factors?

Re: Will Vue.js become a giant like Angular or React?

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Post by luord »

While I don't mind if Vue stays small (as in, just used enough to keep momentum), I'd love it if it became more popular. It's truly a joy to work with.

Angular was the first framework I used, and I liked working with it well enough, even if I wasn't a big fan of many of its idiosyncrasies. But then Google announced they were going in an entirely different direction so I decided to try new things.

I tried liking react (gods, I tried, many, many times) but I just can't like how the code looks when using it or the structure it ends up forming, or the boilerplate it requires.

Vue, however, feels like doing plain JS, which I actually like[1], as each component is rarely more than a few objects and functions. Well, that and html templates, which I'm fine with and would have to use anyway as a backend developer.

[1]: JS has always been my second favorite language, after python, and the new versions are just so nice to write.

Re: Will Vue.js become a giant like Angular or React?

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Post by kthejoker2 »

abalashov wrote: post #99
nine_k wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A typical all-in-one framework is Ruby on Rails. It is great to quickly start a project that does basic things planned for by the framework. But as your project grows, and you start to need special, custom things (and you inevitably do), you understand the "Rails" part. You have to move along the rails. This leads to a growing number of ugly hacks, just to keep the whole thing within one framework. The problem is tha…

What drives me insane about Angular, both 1.x and 2.x, is the sheer amount of idiosyncratic boilerplate required to merely get started and do things the "framework way". It's unreal, though of course Angular 2.x takes that to a whole new level. AngularJS could at least be written in vim without boilerplate generators and meta-meta-meta tooling. I suppose the thinking behind all these services, providers and factories…

So ... actual developers are people who don't work on teams for large scale applications? Because what you call "childproofing" is basically the most obvious tenets of a shared codebase.

Re: Will Vue.js become a giant like Angular or React?

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Post by kthejoker2 »

lightblade wrote: post #106
coldtea wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vue is used by huge Chinese companies, and tons of Chinese startups. It's also adopted by Laravel, which is very popular in PHP land. It's not going anywhere soon.

That is the word on the street, but I have yet to see publicly visible evidence of it. You can inspect Facebook to see React is there. You can inspect Walmart to see React is there. You can inspect LinkedIn to find Ember there. I have yet to see flagship product of huge companies built on Angular or Vue. Is Alibaba.com built with Vue?

Most of Office 365 and Azure from the web side is Angular. That's a pretty good endorsement.
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