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Artist uses a computer model of his face to get a French National ID

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Re: Artist uses a computer model of his face to get a French National ID

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Post by Maxious »

noonespecial wrote: post #36
jacquesm wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He claims the photo is a "fiction". All photos are. That's not true. Your passport photo is supposed to be a snapshot of what you looked like in person at a certain point in time. It is the difference between a registration and a creation. The likely effect of actions like these is that eventually the passport office will take the photographs to avoid people playing games with the system (such as: replacing the eye…

>Your passport photo is supposed to be a snapshot of what you looked like in person at a certain point in time. Then the photo the Post Office official took fails this test. My skin is not green and my hair is not black. They sure look that way in my passport photo. The likely effect is that my official "photo" will become an amalgamation of AI facial recognition scans at official checkpoints through time. Perhaps cl…

Meanwhile in Australia...

> Contactless technology will remove the need for eligible travellers to present a passport to verify their identity in automated immigration clearance.

> The identity of a traveller will be confirmed on the basis of a unique biometric identifier, such as their facial image, instead of document based checks. The live facial image of the traveller at the SmartGate will be matched against an image previously verified as the unique identifier associated with that identity.

> This verified image and others collected during subsequent travel, become the images used by the Department to confirm identity on future travel.

http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w...

Re: Artist uses a computer model of his face to get a French National ID

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Post by kalleboo »

jacquesm wrote: post #15
noonespecial wrote: post #12

To be fair, his "photo" looks a lot more like him than my passport photo looks like me. It was taken early in the morning with an ancient camera under fluorescent lights at a post office. I am tinted decidedly green and my eyes look half closed. I look more like an extra on The Walking Dead than an international traveler. He claims the photo is a "fiction". All photos are. The photo's job is to say that "the person i…

> He claims the photo is a "fiction". All photos are. That's not true. Your passport photo is supposed to be a snapshot of what you looked like in person at a certain point in time. It is the difference between a registration and a creation. The likely effect of actions like these is that eventually the passport office will take the photographs to avoid people playing games with the system (such as: replacing the eye…

In Sweden, applications for passports and ID cards are done at a machine that captures your photo, signature and fingerprint digitally and sends it off to manufacturing. These machines are distributed to post offices and embassies abroad.

Re: Artist uses a computer model of his face to get a French National ID

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Post by dzhiurgis »

pinum wrote: post #78
djsumdog wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think anyone uses the photo for biometric identification. I thought those devices you look at in line simply take a photo of you on entry. In most countries you still face the customs officer who looks at you and your documents.

eGates at UK airports do programmatically allow entry based solely on a facial recognition match between the person standing at the gate and the file on their passport's chip. I'm not sure how I feel about that.

Not sure about that. I certainly seen the guy in the booth looking at all those photos, at least in the early days gates were deployed.

Re: Artist uses a computer model of his face to get a French National ID

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Post by jacquesm »

oliv__ wrote: post #85
jacquesm wrote: post #10

Oh that's cool. Would be even cooler if he had embedded some obvious artificial artifact through steganography in the image. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steganography I've been messing with the system here by sanding off my prints before applying for a passport: https://jacquesmattheij.com/the-belt-sander-and-the-battle-f... That was a fun exercise but this guy takes it to the next level.

I wonder if you could wear the equivalent of a contact lens for your fingers with a printed fingerprint on the surface. I don't know if this exists but I do remember an old James Bond where that trick was pulled...

https://www.ccc.de/en/updates/2013/ccc-breaks-apple-touchid

Re: Artist uses a computer model of his face to get a French National ID

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Post by plint »

raverbashing wrote: post #37
jacquesm wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He claims the photo is a "fiction". All photos are. That's not true. Your passport photo is supposed to be a snapshot of what you looked like in person at a certain point in time. It is the difference between a registration and a creation. The likely effect of actions like these is that eventually the passport office will take the photographs to avoid people playing games with the system (such as: replacing the eye…

No need to overcomplicate this: if the photo is obviously different from the person the document is not valid for its purpose Feel free to submit a photo that confuses the biometric requirements, hope you like the automated border gates rejecting your passport

> Feel free to submit a photo that confuses the biometric requirements, hope you like the automated border gates rejecting your passport

Actually, that seems like a really good idea to avoid being tracked by facial recognition systems. Remove enough detail from your photo so that you can't be identified by a neural net, but can still be identified by a human?

Re: Artist uses a computer model of his face to get a French National ID

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Post by type0 »

jacquesm wrote: post #15
noonespecial wrote: post #12

To be fair, his "photo" looks a lot more like him than my passport photo looks like me. It was taken early in the morning with an ancient camera under fluorescent lights at a post office. I am tinted decidedly green and my eyes look half closed. I look more like an extra on The Walking Dead than an international traveler. He claims the photo is a "fiction". All photos are. The photo's job is to say that "the person i…

> He claims the photo is a "fiction". All photos are. That's not true. Your passport photo is supposed to be a snapshot of what you looked like in person at a certain point in time. It is the difference between a registration and a creation. The likely effect of actions like these is that eventually the passport office will take the photographs to avoid people playing games with the system (such as: replacing the eye…

> Your passport photo is supposed to be a snapshot of what you looked like in person at a certain point in time. It is the difference between a registration and a creation.

This doesn't make any sense. Use a slightly wider or longer lens and you get vastly different pics, and we're not even talking about lighting or other aspects yet.

Re: Artist uses a computer model of his face to get a French National ID

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Post by netsharc »

plint wrote: post #96
raverbashing wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No need to overcomplicate this: if the photo is obviously different from the person the document is not valid for its purpose Feel free to submit a photo that confuses the biometric requirements, hope you like the automated border gates rejecting your passport

> Feel free to submit a photo that confuses the biometric requirements, hope you like the automated border gates rejecting your passport Actually, that seems like a really good idea to avoid being tracked by facial recognition systems. Remove enough detail from your photo so that you can't be identified by a neural net, but can still be identified by a human?

Except, the human will just be told by the computer, "subject does not match passport photo" even though his own eyes say you match, and he'll be bound by duty to treat you as an identity theft. You think border guards are allowed to make decisions? Ha!

I forget the exact number, but the distances between n points on your face is a representation of your face. So we've reduced that to a number too.

Re: Artist uses a computer model of his face to get a French National ID

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Post by mbrookes »

lucb1e wrote: post #67
mbrookes wrote: post #60

What people seem to be missing is that this is a photograph. It just happens to be wrapped on a 3D model.

Is it? I thought the newsworthiness was that he re-made it. Otherwise, indeed, it is(/would be) just a picture. Edit: this comment makes a pretty good point regarding that https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14576962

> Is it?

Yes - photos of the face will have been used as texture and bump maps.

Re: Artist uses a computer model of his face to get a French National ID

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Post by lazyasciiart »

jen729w wrote: post #82
lazyasciiart wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Australia at least they do identify you at the smart gates for immigration. The customs officer doesn't look at visas or other immigration details.

Nope. I left last week and will return on Monday and - just like entering the UK - can confirm that, while there are Customs staff hanging about to make sure nothing goes wrong, they are not individually monitoring each entry/exit. I find it bloody marvellous. I was on the Heathrow Express literally 20 minutes after getting off the plane from Melbourne. That's how it should be.

Sorry, I meant "the smart gates are used as the only identification method". Poor wording.
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