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Artist uses a computer model of his face to get a French National ID

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Re: Artist uses a computer model of his face to get a French National ID

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Post by mseebach »

pinum wrote: post #78
djsumdog wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think anyone uses the photo for biometric identification. I thought those devices you look at in line simply take a photo of you on entry. In most countries you still face the customs officer who looks at you and your documents.

eGates at UK airports do programmatically allow entry based solely on a facial recognition match between the person standing at the gate and the file on their passport's chip. I'm not sure how I feel about that.

(+ run the passport through a gamut of watch lists and risk profiles)

The border agent, when handed an EU passport, does exactly the same (match the photo to the face) and nothing much more. What exactly is the problem with automating that?

Re: Artist uses a computer model of his face to get a French National ID

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Post by jen729w »

lazyasciiart wrote: post #65
djsumdog wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think anyone uses the photo for biometric identification. I thought those devices you look at in line simply take a photo of you on entry. In most countries you still face the customs officer who looks at you and your documents.

In Australia at least they do identify you at the smart gates for immigration. The customs officer doesn't look at visas or other immigration details.

Nope. I left last week and will return on Monday and - just like entering the UK - can confirm that, while there are Customs staff hanging about to make sure nothing goes wrong, they are not individually monitoring each entry/exit.

I find it bloody marvellous. I was on the Heathrow Express literally 20 minutes after getting off the plane from Melbourne. That's how it should be.

Re: Artist uses a computer model of his face to get a French National ID

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Post by mynewtb »

Houshalter wrote: post #70
noonespecial wrote: post #36

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>Your passport photo is supposed to be a snapshot of what you looked like in person at a certain point in time. Then the photo the Post Office official took fails this test. My skin is not green and my hair is not black. They sure look that way in my passport photo. The likely effect is that my official "photo" will become an amalgamation of AI facial recognition scans at official checkpoints through time. Perhaps cl…

How is minor color distortion comparable to a completely artificial 3d rendering? In the past id photos were taken in completely black and white. But it was still a photograph of that person.

A photograph is a model of reality. This 3D render is a model of reality.

Re: Artist uses a computer model of his face to get a French National ID

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Post by fao_ »

Mz wrote: post #74
noonespecial wrote: post #72

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Here he is "in the flesh". (Unless his skills at rendering are much more advanced than I anticipated) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB8EIh6tX3s

Thank you, though the only connections I see are "Caucasian male with brown hair." I would not assert based on looks alone that these are the same man. The ID photo is without glasses, but the video shows him in glasses. The video is 3/4 view of his face for most of the time whereas the ID photo is head on.

The jaw seems to be very wrong imo

Re: Artist uses a computer model of his face to get a French National ID

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Post by oliv__ »

jacquesm wrote: post #10

Oh that's cool. Would be even cooler if he had embedded some obvious artificial artifact through steganography in the image. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steganography I've been messing with the system here by sanding off my prints before applying for a passport: https://jacquesmattheij.com/the-belt-sander-and-the-battle-f... That was a fun exercise but this guy takes it to the next level.

I wonder if you could wear the equivalent of a contact lens for your fingers with a printed fingerprint on the surface.

I don't know if this exists but I do remember an old James Bond where that trick was pulled...

Re: Artist uses a computer model of his face to get a French National ID

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Post by PeterisP »

Houshalter wrote: post #70
noonespecial wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Your passport photo is supposed to be a snapshot of what you looked like in person at a certain point in time. Then the photo the Post Office official took fails this test. My skin is not green and my hair is not black. They sure look that way in my passport photo. The likely effect is that my official "photo" will become an amalgamation of AI facial recognition scans at official checkpoints through time. Perhaps cl…

How is minor color distortion comparable to a completely artificial 3d rendering? In the past id photos were taken in completely black and white. But it was still a photograph of that person.

It matters how similar to reality the picture printed on ID looks because it determines the usefulness of this picture.

The process how that picture was obtained doesn't necessarily change the usefulness - a really good pencil drawing may be more accurate and useful than an unlucky photography.

Re: Artist uses a computer model of his face to get a French National ID

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Post by angry_octet »

noonespecial wrote: post #36
jacquesm wrote: post #15

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> He claims the photo is a "fiction". All photos are. That's not true. Your passport photo is supposed to be a snapshot of what you looked like in person at a certain point in time. It is the difference between a registration and a creation. The likely effect of actions like these is that eventually the passport office will take the photographs to avoid people playing games with the system (such as: replacing the eye…

>Your passport photo is supposed to be a snapshot of what you looked like in person at a certain point in time. Then the photo the Post Office official took fails this test. My skin is not green and my hair is not black. They sure look that way in my passport photo. The likely effect is that my official "photo" will become an amalgamation of AI facial recognition scans at official checkpoints through time. Perhaps cl…

http://on-demand.gputechconf.com/gtc/2017/video/s7682-tian-m...

It's already here if you're a person of interest.

Soon your passport photo will be a 3D scan of your face. Increases ability to recognize under different lighting conditions.

Re: Artist uses a computer model of his face to get a French National ID

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Post by JetSpiegel »

hashmal wrote: post #41
jacquesm wrote: post #15

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> He claims the photo is a "fiction". All photos are. That's not true. Your passport photo is supposed to be a snapshot of what you looked like in person at a certain point in time. It is the difference between a registration and a creation. The likely effect of actions like these is that eventually the passport office will take the photographs to avoid people playing games with the system (such as: replacing the eye…

this is actually an interesting subject and one should not jump on quick/easy answers. - is a photography really a snapshot of what something looks like? seems to be an easy one until you look closely at the history of technology behind photography - if photography is a faithful representation of something, does it mean there's not "creation" involved? how can photography be considered art if it's not creation? - "a…

Photography is an art, but passport photographs are not, they are all the same. The whole point is that they are standard.

Re: Artist uses a computer model of his face to get a French National ID

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Post by JetSpiegel »

mseebach wrote: post #81
pinum wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

eGates at UK airports do programmatically allow entry based solely on a facial recognition match between the person standing at the gate and the file on their passport's chip. I'm not sure how I feel about that.

(+ run the passport through a gamut of watch lists and risk profiles) The border agent, when handed an EU passport, does exactly the same (match the photo to the face) and nothing much more. What exactly is the problem with automating that?

A passport agent can't have virtually infinite recall of your pictures in a miriad of other unrelated locations.
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