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Antarctica Is Melting, and Giant Ice Cracks Are Just the Start

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Re: Antarctica Is Melting, and Giant Ice Cracks Are Just the Start

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Yes, it is melting and some of the before/after photographs are the most devastating evidence.

There are some famous photos of Patagonia 100 years ago and today...anyone remember them?

I managed to find these before/after photos of glaciers in Alaska.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2972130/Globa...

Re: Antarctica Is Melting, and Giant Ice Cracks Are Just the Start

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As long as my golf courses in Florida are OK, there is no global warming. A bunch of floating ice can't raise sea levels, since the ice is already there, it's just moving around. It's big ice, yes, but it won't do anything and certainly won't reach the US, hence it will not affect it. Those damn state leaders aligning with the commie Europeans on the issue don't know a thing, they're going rogue. I tell you what, the…

This is a joke, right? Warm water occupies more volume than cold water. Also, ice that is on LAND and running off into the OCEAN will raise sea level. Also water from melting ice caps that evaporates goes back into the ocean and refreezing on polar caps is slowing down, so more water in the ocean. It does not have to melt straight into the ocean. Sea level is rising due to ice melting. It is a fact.

Judging by the references I think it's supposed to be said in a Trumpian tone.

Re: Antarctica Is Melting, and Giant Ice Cracks Are Just the Start

#33

Wow... just wow. I'm overwhelmingly under-learned on this topic, but from the sounds of scientists, shit is literally hitting the fan. What books and research in the last couple years are good for non-scientists about the effects of rising oceans on socio-economics and politics?

It will be hard to find anything that isn't exceedingly one-sided if socio-economics and politics are involved. One thing to remember when you read that stuff is that the poorest are the ones that suffer the most from the regulations we put in place. For example, I support taxation on any product or service with externalities where it's nearly impossible to price the damage done into the product naturally. Pollution is a perfect example of this. I buy oil from you, but third parties are harmed. Therefore somehow I need to pay a tax and compensate everyone I'm harming. Anyways... who do you think this tax will harm the most? The billionaire oil barons? Of course not. They will still be billionaires. It's the poorest who need cheap fuel so they don't freeze to death in the winter.

If we manage to actually enforce anti-carbon regulation across the globe, who will be harmed the most? It's India, China, and Brazil among others who are still industrializing. It's the people who we're just trying to get up to the point of actually being pretty confident they will get 1-2 meals every day... not even making them wealthy. Often these things are framed to appear to be going after the "evil rich" person who burns coal. Sure, we know burning coal kills lots of people. I would never deny those stats. No one ever talks about how many lives are saved by burning coal. As technology progresses perhaps countries will not need to burn coal to go through industrialization and pull their people off the brink of starvation, but we're nowhere near that today. So we need to consider these types of things as we talk about the socioeconomic and political ramifications of climate change. The solution can't be worse than the problem for poor people.

Re: Antarctica Is Melting, and Giant Ice Cracks Are Just the Start

#34
Launch many satellites into space which have huge reflective screens to bounce away some 1% of the light that would otherwise reach Earth.

I heard this idea suggested at least a decade ago in Popular Science. I imagine there are many such proposals to defeat global warming (beyond cutting CO2 emissions), but somehow this one stuck with me. Musk could also do it with his rockets.

Re: Antarctica Is Melting, and Giant Ice Cracks Are Just the Start

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure why people are downvoting the above comment. Many people think the same way and we have a long way to convince people that their attitudes and behavior need to be modified --both here _and_ in the developing world. It's likely more acute in the developing world since their governments have fewer resources to dedicate to the issue so the populous is on their own to modify behavior and attitudes. Ignoring…

I'm not sure it is possible to convince someone who has all the facts and still doesn't give a fuck. Only new facts will do the trick, facts which, even if not adding to the body of knowledge, have a high fuck giving factor. Like, a tornado destroys their house or such.

I think, like with many things, you have to work with the early adopters, then the bulk and finally the stragglers and at that point you can deal with the hard-core holdouts (or work around them). The key is acknowledging this phenomenon and taking it into account so that policies cane be more successful.

Re: Antarctica Is Melting, and Giant Ice Cracks Are Just the Start

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In 2014 Antarctic sea ice reached a record maximum: https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reach... But now in 2017 we're talking about continent-wide collapse?

The way I understood it, the article is about glaciers and ice shelves, not about antarctic sea ice extent which is largely driven by wind patterns. The more northward winds, the more sea ice.

Incidentally, antarctic sea ice extent did go from record highs 3 years ago to record lows this year.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/16/world/antarctica-sea-ice-r...

Re: Antarctica Is Melting, and Giant Ice Cracks Are Just the Start

#37

I just came back from 7 months on one of the U.S. research stations, doing network engineering and glacier search and rescue. It was pretty interesting to see how fast the glacier face the station was near was retreating each year. edit: did an AMA while there that hit the reddit front page https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/5656e1/iama_i_dont_ha...

Is Antarctica melting? Yes. Is it bad? Yes. Are humans accelerating​ it? Yes. Is it bad for my kids and future generations? Yes. Does that mean I'm going to switch to an EV, start taking public transportation in Mountain View, or stop using disposable bags at While Foods? No. Scientists have a long way to convince the billions of people on Earth like me before anyone is going to meaningfully reduce climate change.

So, now that we are over the "there's no climate change" phase, the "humans aren't responsible" phase and the "it's not that bad, we'll adapt or there might be good things coming out of it" phase it is the "scientists are responsible because they couldn't convince me" phase.

What a time to be alive.

Re: Antarctica Is Melting, and Giant Ice Cracks Are Just the Start

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure why people are downvoting the above comment. Many people think the same way and we have a long way to convince people that their attitudes and behavior need to be modified --both here _and_ in the developing world. It's likely more acute in the developing world since their governments have fewer resources to dedicate to the issue so the populous is on their own to modify behavior and attitudes. Ignoring…

I'm not sure it is possible to convince someone who has all the facts and still doesn't give a fuck. Only new facts will do the trick, facts which, even if not adding to the body of knowledge, have a high fuck giving factor. Like, a tornado destroys their house or such.

I think the issue is making an emotional connection to the facts. I don't believe any person has the emotional bandwidth to care about every problem in the world.

Re: Antarctica Is Melting, and Giant Ice Cracks Are Just the Start

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sea ice comes and goes. Land ice is much more important. There is an acceleration on land ice loss. https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/land-ice/

There's a NASA study from 2015 that concludes that mass gains of the Antarctic ice sheet are greater than the losses: https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-o...

Zwally's study is in-line with the GRACE data, and loss of land ice mass. "According to the new analysis of satellite data, the Antarctic ice sheet showed a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 1992 to 2001. That net gain slowed to 82 billion tons of ice per year between 2003 and 2008."

GRACE shows acceleration since 2008. Zwally's study uses data from 1992-2001, 2003-2008. And is in-line with the net-gain slowing down in his data-set.

Re: Antarctica Is Melting, and Giant Ice Cracks Are Just the Start

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As long as my golf courses in Florida are OK, there is no global warming. A bunch of floating ice can't raise sea levels, since the ice is already there, it's just moving around. It's big ice, yes, but it won't do anything and certainly won't reach the US, hence it will not affect it. Those damn state leaders aligning with the commie Europeans on the issue don't know a thing, they're going rogue. I tell you what, the…

Would you please not post unsubstantive inflammation (aka troll) like this?
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