European leaders call for open access to all scientific papers by 2020 (2016)

Post by capnrefsmmat » Sat, Jun 17, 2017, 1:29 PM UTC

a3_nm wrote: post #52

a_bonobo wrote: post #15

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There's more to running a journal than that - you have formatting editors who make the PDF look good and give it a thorough last read (finding for me several errors that peer review never found - missing or switched references, for example). The actual per-paper costs seem to be a few hundred dollars, as written in this article: http://www.nature.com/news/open-access-the-true-cost-of-scie... Profit margins are amazin…

> you have formatting editors who make the PDF look good and give it a thorough last read (finding for me several errors that peer review never found - missing or switched references, for example). This may depend on the field, but in CS I have never seen this. There is essentially no change made by the publisher to papers, and when they do make changes, more often than not it is to introduce errors. In any case, the…

Post by Radim » Sat, Jun 17, 2017, 2:02 PM UTC

roadnottaken wrote: post #29

I don't understand how governments have the authority to make private companies (journal publishers) give-away their product for free. The fact that much of the research is funded by taxpayers is not relevant -- scientists have voluntarily submitted their work to private publishers for publication. Going forward, perhaps they should stop doing that. But for work that was previously published? It's rightly owned by th…

Post by lsh » Sat, Jun 17, 2017, 2:58 PM UTC

capnrefsmmat wrote: post #61

a3_nm wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you have formatting editors who make the PDF look good and give it a thorough last read (finding for me several errors that peer review never found - missing or switched references, for example). This may depend on the field, but in CS I have never seen this. There is essentially no change made by the publisher to papers, and when they do make changes, more often than not it is to introduce errors. In any case, the…

In the biomedical fields, many articles have to be deposited on PubMed Central, which requires them to be reformatted in their archival JATS XML format. Since articles are typically written in Word in those fields, this process involves a lot of manual tagging of references and figures and such, only partially aided by scripts. The process must incur a fairly hefty cost in maintaining warehouses full of people to do…

Post by lsh » Sat, Jun 17, 2017, 3:13 PM UTC

bostik wrote: post #58

Keverw wrote: post #20

Awesome. I do think all publicly funded research papers should be available. Research done by private companies using their own funds however shouldn't be. Maybe if America had open access, things would of turned out a lot better for Aaron Swartz :(

When I did my master's, I explicitly chose 2-clause BSD as the license for all the code I had produced as part of the thesis. My thesis project was done with, and paid for, by the university I attended. Since my work was being funded with public money, I felt it only fair to release everything with a liberal license. The review board expressly noted two things that were out of the norm with my thesis. One: I chose to…

Post by vivekd » Sat, Jun 17, 2017, 5:14 PM UTC

bubblethink wrote: post #27

This probably comes up all the time in these discussions, but any change in this area has to be top down. i.e., People with influence and job security like tenured faculty need to signal a change and move to open access. A grad student or an assistant professor isn't going to put his/her career on the line for ideals. I'm not too familiar with the journal culture, but at least in CS with conferences, all the critical…