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Internet Explorer 9 destroys Chrome 6 in HTML5 speed test (video)

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Re: Internet Explorer 9 destroys Chrome 6 in HTML5 speed test (video)

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Post by s3graham »

zweben wrote: post #16
postfuturist wrote: post #5

Using hardware acceleration in a contrived example, IE 9 is faster at rendering fish. Yawn. Nothing Microsoft does now can make up how awful IE 6,7, and 8 are and the fact that most of my day-to-day pain is caused by supporting their crap-tastic browsers. Even IE 8 leaks memory like a sieve.

What's frustrating to me is that they could fix the problem of high usage of old IE versions. They just seem to be unwilling to. They could add in IE7's and IE8's rendering engines into IE9 as compatibility modes, push out IE9 as a forced or automatic update and have HTML5 ready to use in a few weeks. But they seem to be more worried potential whining from update-averse users than holding back the technological progr…

Isn't there some old anti-trust thing that doesn't let them push IE updates? That was my recollection.

Edit, security ok, version upgrade not ok.

Re: Internet Explorer 9 destroys Chrome 6 in HTML5 speed test (video)

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Post by loewenskind »

zweben wrote: post #16
postfuturist wrote: post #5

Using hardware acceleration in a contrived example, IE 9 is faster at rendering fish. Yawn. Nothing Microsoft does now can make up how awful IE 6,7, and 8 are and the fact that most of my day-to-day pain is caused by supporting their crap-tastic browsers. Even IE 8 leaks memory like a sieve.

What's frustrating to me is that they could fix the problem of high usage of old IE versions. They just seem to be unwilling to. They could add in IE7's and IE8's rendering engines into IE9 as compatibility modes, push out IE9 as a forced or automatic update and have HTML5 ready to use in a few weeks. But they seem to be more worried potential whining from update-averse users than holding back the technological progr…

No they certainly could not. Have you ever worked in a big company before? The end users get their updates from in house sources. Introduction of MS updates is strictly controlled. If they can't quantify what the change will do then it's not going in. Of course security patches get priority and something like a browser version change has broad sweeping effects that are extremely difficult to quantify.

So if MS did what you ask tomorrow, nothing would change in 99% of big corporations.

Re: Internet Explorer 9 destroys Chrome 6 in HTML5 speed test (video)

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Post by zweben »

patio11 wrote: post #18
zweben wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's frustrating to me is that they could fix the problem of high usage of old IE versions. They just seem to be unwilling to. They could add in IE7's and IE8's rendering engines into IE9 as compatibility modes, push out IE9 as a forced or automatic update and have HTML5 ready to use in a few weeks. But they seem to be more worried potential whining from update-averse users than holding back the technological progr…

Who to piss off: the IT department at almost every major corporation worldwide who pay us billions of dollars a year, or a bunch of bloggers who run Firefox on Macs and would still hate our bones if we cured cancer tomorrow. Decisions, decisions.

Why would IT departments be pissed off if IE9 was fully backwards compatible? Honest question.

Re: Internet Explorer 9 destroys Chrome 6 in HTML5 speed test (video)

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Post by patio11 »

zweben wrote: post #23
patio11 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who to piss off: the IT department at almost every major corporation worldwide who pay us billions of dollars a year, or a bunch of bloggers who run Firefox on Macs and would still hate our bones if we cured cancer tomorrow. Decisions, decisions.

Why would IT departments be pissed off if IE9 was fully backwards compatible? Honest question.

The entire point of the suggestion is to break compatibility with IE6 so that the rest of the world can stop having to code against it. Breaking compatibility with IE6 has freaking enormous switching costs for some users.

(Let me hum a few bars: you use a $3 million CRM which only supports IE6, and the company which bought the company which made it has since folded. This is hypothetical, but not very hypothetical, if you catch my drift. A forced free upgrade to IE9 would create an organization-wide emergency for that customer, instantly, and it would be a cold day in Hell before they every do business with Microsoft again.)

Re: Internet Explorer 9 destroys Chrome 6 in HTML5 speed test (video)

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Post by galois »

pyre wrote: post #10
SkyMarshal wrote: post #8

TLDR/W: Hardware accelerated IE9 HTML5 canvas beats non-hardware accelerated Chrome 6 development HTML5 canvas.

Too Long Didn't Read/Write?

TLDR/W = I hate Microsoft because I think doing so makes me cool in this community and I will get freebie points for bashing them.

Re: Internet Explorer 9 destroys Chrome 6 in HTML5 speed test (video)

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Post by acg »

jolie wrote: post #2

It's one of those things that you don't want to be true... But there it is. Ben Parr was at a press event today for IE9 and confirmed to Mashable staff that, according to the tests, IE9 is gonna be hella fast.

A competitive marketplace is proving better than stagnant monopoly. Long live the competition.

Re: Internet Explorer 9 destroys Chrome 6 in HTML5 speed test (video)

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Post by norswap »

zweben wrote: post #16
postfuturist wrote: post #5

Using hardware acceleration in a contrived example, IE 9 is faster at rendering fish. Yawn. Nothing Microsoft does now can make up how awful IE 6,7, and 8 are and the fact that most of my day-to-day pain is caused by supporting their crap-tastic browsers. Even IE 8 leaks memory like a sieve.

What's frustrating to me is that they could fix the problem of high usage of old IE versions. They just seem to be unwilling to. They could add in IE7's and IE8's rendering engines into IE9 as compatibility modes, push out IE9 as a forced or automatic update and have HTML5 ready to use in a few weeks. But they seem to be more worried potential whining from update-averse users than holding back the technological progr…

They campaigned extensively for users to switch to newer version of IE. They don't force it because lots of company still have IT policies of using IE6 (or whichever comes installed with the OS, I suspect).

Re: Internet Explorer 9 destroys Chrome 6 in HTML5 speed test (video)

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

Buzzzz wrote: post #13

Pretty cool, now we only need to bring hw accel to linux and firefox :). My main browser will allways be a open one since we really shouldnt trust corporations in keeping the we open. //Anders

All the other browser already have hw acceleration in various stages in their "preview" builds, in released builds to some extent too.

Re: Internet Explorer 9 destroys Chrome 6 in HTML5 speed test (video)

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Post by zweben »

patio11 wrote: post #24
zweben wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would IT departments be pissed off if IE9 was fully backwards compatible? Honest question.

The entire point of the suggestion is to break compatibility with IE6 so that the rest of the world can stop having to code against it. Breaking compatibility with IE6 has freaking enormous switching costs for some users. (Let me hum a few bars: you use a $3 million CRM which only supports IE6, and the company which bought the company which made it has since folded. This is hypothetical, but not very hypothetical, if…

The entire point of my suggestion is that a newer browser doesn't need to break compatibility with older browsers to allow people to stop supporting them. Backwards compatibility makes it possible for Microsoft to do a forced upgrade without screwing anyone over. Once a significant majority people are using IE9, it doesn't matter if they're still relying on its backwards compatibility for existing websites, new websites can just target IE9's native rendering engine and ignore older versions of IE.

I didn't mention IE6 backwards compatibility, because no one running IE6 is going to upgrade directly to IE9; they don't run on the same OS. Even if IE9 was made a mandatory or automatic upgrade, people relying on IE6 wouldn't have to worry. IE6 would have to be dealt with differently than IE7&8, which is fine, it'll get to insignificant market share soon enough on its own.

Re: Internet Explorer 9 destroys Chrome 6 in HTML5 speed test (video)

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Post by phoboslab »

postfuturist wrote: post #5

Using hardware acceleration in a contrived example, IE 9 is faster at rendering fish. Yawn. Nothing Microsoft does now can make up how awful IE 6,7, and 8 are and the fact that most of my day-to-day pain is caused by supporting their crap-tastic browsers. Even IE 8 leaks memory like a sieve.

I don't think this example is contrived. I can imagine plenty of use cases where being able to draw lots of objects is really important. Hardware acceleration is exactly what HTML5 needs in order to compete with Flash.
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