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Re: Tesla Autopilot

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Post by PeterStuer »

nitrogen wrote: post #96
bjelkeman-again wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my experience, having driven or been driven by the autopilot v1 hardware and software for thousands of kilometers, it is not ridiculous to use this safely. You configure how you use it once, you don't have to remember the state of every feature. There are moments when you have to think about what state the car is in. But in opinion it is by far offset by how much less tiring it is to drive a long way.

Having driven a long distance in the vicinity of a Tesla that was presumably on autopilot, I found it very unsafe-seeming, darting around within its lane, sometimes drifting onto the lane line. You may not realize if you aren't paying attention, but your car might not drive as well as you expect.

Having driven for years in the vicinity of human drivers, I'd say they do far worse than that. And that is before you add the DUI.

Re: Tesla Autopilot

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Post by saagarjha »

blazespin wrote: post #89
dperfect wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You can now experience Enhanced Autopilot features including Traffic-Aware Cruise Control, Autosteer, Auto Lane Change, Parallel + Perpendicular Autopark, and Summon Scary stuff, really. No consumer wants (or needs) autopilot "features" - at least not from a marketing standpoint. If you ask me, the car either drives itself or you are driving it. It's a bit ridiculous to expect people to use these things safely. If…

well, it yells at you if you let go of the steering wheel and will even disable itself if you keep doing it. It's not that scary. And the features are real. At least it gives owners the confidence that things are moving forward and if they buy a Tesla today they will have full self driving some day.

It's still pretty easy to tune out even if you're gripping the steering wheel…

Re: Tesla Autopilot

#103

Post by prostoalex »

nitrogen wrote: post #96
bjelkeman-again wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my experience, having driven or been driven by the autopilot v1 hardware and software for thousands of kilometers, it is not ridiculous to use this safely. You configure how you use it once, you don't have to remember the state of every feature. There are moments when you have to think about what state the car is in. But in opinion it is by far offset by how much less tiring it is to drive a long way.

Having driven a long distance in the vicinity of a Tesla that was presumably on autopilot, I found it very unsafe-seeming, darting around within its lane, sometimes drifting onto the lane line. You may not realize if you aren't paying attention, but your car might not drive as well as you expect.

Agree that lane weaving is annoying and frequently has no good explanation - there are no tight curves, the road markings are in perfect condition, there are no obstacles ahead and no one is changing lanes in front of the car.

I also wish that left-most and right-most lanes were special-cased, with a bit of preference towards left and right side respectively, instead of sticking to the center of the lane no matter what. Just seems safer overall, and with fairly large number of US roads not exceeding 2 lanes in one direction, seems like a pretty good rule of thumb.

Re: Tesla Autopilot

#104

Post by takeda »

wheelerwj wrote: post #87
dperfect wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You can now experience Enhanced Autopilot features including Traffic-Aware Cruise Control, Autosteer, Auto Lane Change, Parallel + Perpendicular Autopark, and Summon Scary stuff, really. No consumer wants (or needs) autopilot "features" - at least not from a marketing standpoint. If you ask me, the car either drives itself or you are driving it. It's a bit ridiculous to expect people to use these things safely. If…

this is probably one of the most ignorant and short sighted comments i've ever read on HN and reaks of competitive shilling. It's like saying we shouldn't have released seatbelts because people moght not have used them. Or maybe we shouldn't have released vaccines because you still need booster shots. Safety features, even incremental ones, make the world safer for everyone.

The difference between autopilot and examples you mentioned is that autopilot can decrease safety. If it works correctly 99.9% of the time, you get used to it and when 0.1% arrive you will cause accident, because you weren't paying attention.

Re: Tesla Autopilot

#105

Post by manav »

bjelkeman-again wrote: post #95
manav wrote: post #79

I have an AP1 car and a AP2 loaner (for the last month). This is just reaching parity to AP1 autopilot capabilities. AP2 has been crippled since launch. There a few new features that my AP1 might not have like Perpendicular Autopark, but I won't know till I get it back. From what it seems it's just gotten to the level that they were with with the previous generation that was developed by or in conjunction with MobilE…

But they are only using two of the eight cameras in AP2 at the moment. There is more capacity in AP2 hardware to tap into. https://electrek.co/2017/03/30/tesla-autopilot-2-0-camera-8-...

There are rumors they might want to use Lidar. People have seen Tesla's equipped with Lidar, but it could be a 3rd party testing it or even Tesla doing some comparison research.

Since newer sensors are become more cost effective I could imagine them incorporating them into future hardware revisions.

Re: Tesla Autopilot

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Post by AdamTReineke »

prostoalex wrote: post #85
gervase wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is that all new Tesla vehicles have all the necessary hardware, and the features are software-locked behind that $8,000 fee. Apparently, these features can also be unlocked at a future time, for a higher fee of $10,000.

Just new? My understanding is that all applies to every single Model S ever produced.

Just new ones, since fall of 2016. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Autopilot for more on the different hardware generations.

Re: Tesla Autopilot

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Post by goodplay »

MarkMc wrote: post #74
quotemstr wrote: post #17

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I don't think our legal system should allow car manufacturers to impose these kinds of restrictions on cars fully owned by their operators. If I have the title on my vehicle, I should be able to use it in any legal capacity. This restriction is an attack on the fundamental ideas of ownership and property.

Tesla: We can't place restrictions on fully owned vehicles? OK, from now on we don't sell cars - we rent them for 50 years. Now can we place restrictions?

I personally find this to be better and more honest. If we as customers don't own something, companies shouldn't use words like "your" and "ownership" to mislead people.

Re: Tesla Autopilot

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Post by _ph_ »

prostoalex wrote: post #85
gervase wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is that all new Tesla vehicles have all the necessary hardware, and the features are software-locked behind that $8,000 fee. Apparently, these features can also be unlocked at a future time, for a higher fee of $10,000.

Just new? My understanding is that all applies to every single Model S ever produced.

The 8 camera system with NVidia hardware has been built into all Model S since October 2016. Before they used a Mobileye system with one camera. Only the 8 camera system is promised to achieve full autonomy.

Re: Tesla Autopilot

#109

Post by ljf »

prostoalex wrote: post #103
nitrogen wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having driven a long distance in the vicinity of a Tesla that was presumably on autopilot, I found it very unsafe-seeming, darting around within its lane, sometimes drifting onto the lane line. You may not realize if you aren't paying attention, but your car might not drive as well as you expect.

Agree that lane weaving is annoying and frequently has no good explanation - there are no tight curves, the road markings are in perfect condition, there are no obstacles ahead and no one is changing lanes in front of the car. I also wish that left-most and right-most lanes were special-cased, with a bit of preference towards left and right side respectively, instead of sticking to the center of the lane no matter wh…

In the USA are there not rules about which lanes you use? Various dash cam videos from the US seem to show drivers choosing any lane, though I could viewing then wrong.

In the UK you use the outside lane if you are a slower vehicle and use the inside lane(s) as overtaking lanes, with the inside for the fastest speeds (within the limit) . If you are using one of the inside lane and are travelling slower that traffic in the outside lane you can get stopped by the police and fined, and will certainly feel the ire of of other drivers.

Re: Tesla Autopilot

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Post by gabrielgoh »

dperfect wrote: post #73
billhathaway wrote: post #15

Tesla sent out an email today. Autopilot Updates We just released the latest version of Autopilot. You can now experience Enhanced Autopilot features including Traffic-Aware Cruise Control, Autosteer, Auto Lane Change, Parallel + Perpendicular Autopark, and Summon. Automatic Emergency Braking, Forward + Side Collision Warning, and more advanced safety features are also active and standard. All Tesla vehicles have the…

> You can now experience Enhanced Autopilot features including Traffic-Aware Cruise Control, Autosteer, Auto Lane Change, Parallel + Perpendicular Autopark, and Summon Scary stuff, really. No consumer wants (or needs) autopilot "features" - at least not from a marketing standpoint. If you ask me, the car either drives itself or you are driving it. It's a bit ridiculous to expect people to use these things safely. If…

where else would the training data come from?
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