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Re: Amazon to Acquire Whole Foods for $13.7B

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Oof. I wonder what this means for Whole Foods culture and employees. If you don't know, John Mackey, the CEO / founder, is a major believer in conscious capitalism and of empowering his employees. Whole Food employees get paid pretty darn well with some crazy good benefits for their industry and line-of-work (UNION FREE most of the time too!). WF banks on them being true believers and motivators of the cause - includ…

You added "UNION FREE" like it's a good thing. Funny.

Re: Amazon to Acquire Whole Foods for $13.7B

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The major difference is that if Amazon stop running well then someone else will come along and replace them. Whereas government is a monopoly, so if it runs badly then it doesn't automatically get replaced. Now, democracy is supposed to fix this, by allowing you to vote for a different supplier of government every few years. But because of the voting system in some countries (like the US and the UK) it's actually rea…

Which is why we need instant-runoff voting in the US, so we can vote for third party candidates but still choose between the top two candidates if our preferred candidate loses.

Or sortition, perhaps.

Re: Amazon to Acquire Whole Foods for $13.7B

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Somewhat off topic, but I have had a weird thought circulating in my head (triggered by reading Red Plenty) that I wanted to put out there: What is the relationship between a centrally planned economy as for example Gosplan was trying to run in the USSR, and the presence of these huge market-like but centralized entities like Amazon and Wal-Mart inside a free-market economy? This becomes particularly interesting beca…

Amazon doesn't shoot you when you protest it.

Plenty of companies have.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_Coal_Wars

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnson_County_War

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin–Felts_Detective_Agen...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/04/east-india-com...

http://www.ibmandtheholocaust.com

So, no, I really don't think that distinction flies.

Moreover, a government is, at least in theory, answerable to all people, not just the stockholders.

Re: Amazon to Acquire Whole Foods for $13.7B

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Bezos: "Alexa, buy me something from whole foods" Alexa: "Buying Whole Foods" Bezos: "Shit"

Credit(?): https://twitter.com/ChicagoPhotoSho/status/87570898151116390...

Sorry, my wife sent it to me, didn't realize there was a different source. Too late to edit now :(

Although the first reply there says the original source was https://mobile.twitter.com/JesalTV/status/875705460313255936 FWIW

Re: Amazon to Acquire Whole Foods for $13.7B

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Agreed. I love Amazon prime, and also love Slack. But I fear the day when all of the "good companies" end up being owned by one corporate overlord.

Also, I cannot think of a software technology that was created & shared by Amazon.

The dynamo white paper, for one.

Also: https://github.com/amzn

Re: Amazon to Acquire Whole Foods for $13.7B

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Oof. I wonder what this means for Whole Foods culture and employees. If you don't know, John Mackey, the CEO / founder, is a major believer in conscious capitalism and of empowering his employees. Whole Food employees get paid pretty darn well with some crazy good benefits for their industry and line-of-work (UNION FREE most of the time too!). WF banks on them being true believers and motivators of the cause - includ…

why are you excited about union-free stuff

Re: Amazon to Acquire Whole Foods for $13.7B

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Is there a point you are trying to make that's relevant to this discussion? I have read a few of your comments on this thread and I just can't for the life in me figure out what point you're trying to make.

Honestly, forget it. The point I'm trying to make is that nobody owes you a handout or an easy job. The fact that I've worked brutal fast food jobs for $3.35 an hour, yet you don't see KFC, McDonalds, Taco Bell, etc, being trashed here for terrible working conditions, while AMZN is, speaks volumes. Today has taught me that HN has a pretty fierce anti AMZN bias, and it shows. I have 4K+ karma, and am sharing my honest…

I appreciate your honest opinion and I am only providing my own honest response. This thread is about AMZN, you talked about how some workers are treated at AMZN so that's what we are talking about. I actually happen to love AMZN as a whole and own stock in the company which has done extremely well for me. My company buys almost all of our equipment off AMZN. That doesn't mean I can't criticize them when I disagree with one of their practices.

Re: Amazon to Acquire Whole Foods for $13.7B

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post #253
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Oof. I wonder what this means for Whole Foods culture and employees. If you don't know, John Mackey, the CEO / founder, is a major believer in conscious capitalism and of empowering his employees. Whole Food employees get paid pretty darn well with some crazy good benefits for their industry and line-of-work (UNION FREE most of the time too!). WF banks on them being true believers and motivators of the cause - includ…

The problem with 'conscientious capitalism' is that a competitor will take the idea and run with it, save for the 'conscientious' elements, and push out the original from the market.

Totally, 100% agree. That's the status quo.

Would it be possible to modify society to prevent such a competitor?

Re: Amazon to Acquire Whole Foods for $13.7B

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To me I fail to see the value because Aldi is here and expanding and now Lidi is following. while they may be on the opposite end of the market from Whole foods I do think they are where the market will truly end up. The middle to higher end grocery stores are going to face a tough time with the discounters and we have yet to see if the European model of grocery can covert a large number of shoppers. with regards to…

The value is that Aldi is nowhere near here, and Lidi is completely un-heard-of. The only reason I know about Aldi is that I spent a couple of years working in Chicago (and living further out), and even there I had to drive a long ways out of my way to find an Aldi. I think I went once in the 2 years I was there. Whole Foods is everywhere.

No. There is no Whole Foods within 100 miles of me, and I am in the continental US.
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