At the point where AI will be functionally equivalent to human, suddenly trillions of jobs will be created....
Jobs That Artificial Intelligence Will Create
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#32Once AI is sufficiently advanced, your job will be to turn your robot on and ask it to do what you want.
Once AI is sufficiently advanced, your job will be to turned off by your robot.
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
Be realistic about point a). And for point b), it's always truck drivers brought up in these instances. Yes, think of the poor truck drivers. I'm sure they love doing a dull job. If a job is replaceable by machines, it's not worth doing. I get the worry that people will be without livelihood, but it's not as if this world has a shortage of work to be done. If we had no more work to do, sure, bring on the UBI. But we…
All of those jobs you mentioned are not economic, they are public works -- and there is no funding for them, so at best those are volunteer efforts, not something to put food on the table. You're right, in theory we could have a system where we put truck drivers to work doing great stuff. Losing lots of jobs could be amazing if we had the services and programs that made our society compatible with that. But we don't,…
Making the society compatible with that actually sounds like an excellent idea. Why not?
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#34Relevant song by Flight of the Conchords:
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#35"We identified the emergence of entire categories of new, uniquely human jobs... trainers, explainers, and sustainers." OK, great, but... a.) these jobs will only be "uniquely human" until AI becomes self-generating and sustaining. [1] b.) as these jobs emerge, surely they don't expect all of the millions of displaced laborers, truck drivers for example, to find work in these roles. AI is increasing overall efficienc…
Be realistic about point a). And for point b), it's always truck drivers brought up in these instances. Yes, think of the poor truck drivers. I'm sure they love doing a dull job. If a job is replaceable by machines, it's not worth doing. I get the worry that people will be without livelihood, but it's not as if this world has a shortage of work to be done. If we had no more work to do, sure, bring on the UBI. But we…
a) will happen, it is just a matter of "when" not "if." Of course, "when" could mean tomorrow or a hundred years from now, no one is really sure and there are both optimistic (it will happen in 1975!) and pessimistic (it will happen in the year 2500!) predictions.
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#36This is why as I look to the future that my two year old son will inherit as an adult, I'm going to make sure that he has a really solid grasp of philosophy. The cutting edge of today's technology and science are all digging deeply into age old philosophical questions that haven't seemed so relevant until recently. Artificial Intelligence and Virtual Reality in particular are going to beg us to answer questions about…
Thanks for this, I think you are on to something here! After all, why not free the human potential from manual labour to something more ...humane?
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#37"We identified the emergence of entire categories of new, uniquely human jobs... trainers, explainers, and sustainers." OK, great, but... a.) these jobs will only be "uniquely human" until AI becomes self-generating and sustaining. [1] b.) as these jobs emerge, surely they don't expect all of the millions of displaced laborers, truck drivers for example, to find work in these roles. AI is increasing overall efficienc…
Be realistic about point a). And for point b), it's always truck drivers brought up in these instances. Yes, think of the poor truck drivers. I'm sure they love doing a dull job. If a job is replaceable by machines, it's not worth doing. I get the worry that people will be without livelihood, but it's not as if this world has a shortage of work to be done. If we had no more work to do, sure, bring on the UBI. But we…
> Yes, think of the poor truck drivers. I'm sure they love doing a dull job.
I have met some truck drivers who DO love their job. They have spoken about the opportunity to travel (that from a husband-and-wife driver team who claimed to enjoy living on the road). They speak of the opportunity to own their own business (although, to be fair, independent truckers are becoming less common).
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#38The three categories are: - "trainers" to train the AIs, - "explainers" to investigate the "black box" and get insights and knowledge out of it, and - "sustainers" to monitor and make sure that the AI behaves appropriately (think, e.g., Microsoft's Twitter bot-turned-Nazi).
This kind of division of labor was shown in the recent Westworld series on HBO I think. They didn't get into the economics of the real world (wisely, I'd add) but there were clearly different tiers of jobs vaguely resembling current ones we recognize.
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#39"We identified the emergence of entire categories of new, uniquely human jobs... trainers, explainers, and sustainers." OK, great, but... a.) these jobs will only be "uniquely human" until AI becomes self-generating and sustaining. [1] b.) as these jobs emerge, surely they don't expect all of the millions of displaced laborers, truck drivers for example, to find work in these roles. AI is increasing overall efficienc…
Be realistic about point a). And for point b), it's always truck drivers brought up in these instances. Yes, think of the poor truck drivers. I'm sure they love doing a dull job. If a job is replaceable by machines, it's not worth doing. I get the worry that people will be without livelihood, but it's not as if this world has a shortage of work to be done. If we had no more work to do, sure, bring on the UBI. But we…
The problem to me isn't concern over keeping truck drivers stuck in a job that's mind numbingly boring.
It's that there is a huge population that relies on that work, and if you haven't noticed, our culture is pretty terrible about offering alternatives.
So should this large swath of people suddenly be on their ass, or even not so suddenly but over time, with no alternative, shit will get real.
Your hard cold facts approach forgets humans are emotionally volatile, and as we're seeing, our social structures not as stable as we tend to believe.
You seem to believe that should the bottom fall out, your cold hard facts about reality will spare you the wrath of a hungry populace.
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#40"We identified the emergence of entire categories of new, uniquely human jobs... trainers, explainers, and sustainers." OK, great, but... a.) these jobs will only be "uniquely human" until AI becomes self-generating and sustaining. [1] b.) as these jobs emerge, surely they don't expect all of the millions of displaced laborers, truck drivers for example, to find work in these roles. AI is increasing overall efficienc…
Be realistic about point a). And for point b), it's always truck drivers brought up in these instances. Yes, think of the poor truck drivers. I'm sure they love doing a dull job. If a job is replaceable by machines, it's not worth doing. I get the worry that people will be without livelihood, but it's not as if this world has a shortage of work to be done. If we had no more work to do, sure, bring on the UBI. But we…
> I'm sure they love doing a dull job.
Beats not doing any job at all. Especially given the shape of society that we're going to have for the foreseeable future.