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I don't know much about Chinese history. What humiliation did they endure in the 1800s?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_Wars
I thought you would have linked to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_of_humiliation
U.S. Invests $258M in Supercomputing Race with China
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#72This is just stupid. US basically sent out a signal to its competitor to demand them to invest more heavily on their own R&D capabilities- what Chinese universities, research institutions and companies are going to do with such news? They take it to the Chinese central government to ask for more R&D funding. Think about it - what China can possibly lose in such a race? When Americans are trying to maintain its No.1 r…
Son, you're not making too much sense. Of all things to be mad about, tech investments isn't one of them.
If supercomputer is a race and the race is between the US & China, then such investment from the US federal government using borrowed money is _not_ doing any favour to the US - it might build a few faster supercomputer in the end, but in the long run, such a direct head on competition which fuels Chinese R&D spending in arguably one of the most cutting edge fields is damaging US interests.
Why Chinese are building supercomputers on their own? Because the US laws prohibit any US supercomputer export to China, including the export of core components that can be used to build such supercomputers.
In case you are not familiar with the matter - the above mentioned core components are not some fancy parts guarded by your NSA - we are talking about parts that can be freely purchased on ebay for $300-1000 each.
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#73That's like 1/5 the cost of one F35 Flying Turkey?
And a mere 2% the cost of the USS Gerald Ford (which would probably be destroyed within 24 hours of active war with China)
why are Americans so hell bent on having a war with China? last I heard China doesn't have military bases around the globe like the US does.
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And a mere 2% the cost of the USS Gerald Ford (which would probably be destroyed within 24 hours of active war with China)
why are Americans so hell bent on having a war with China? last I heard China doesn't have military bases around the globe like the US does.
China likely fields the largest and most powerful military industrial complex in the world, or at least one of the largest. It makes sense to use China as a yardstick against which to measure the value of potential military expenditure.
I'm sure that when China does the same, they're not imagining the cost of war against, say, Australia or Mexico. they invoke the bogeyman of American military hegemony.
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I would like to see the details if your tactical analysis on that.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-10/china-warns-washing... Taken with a grain of salt: China might not actually be 'there' yet, but they are progressing toward that goal.
I take everything from ZeroHedge with a block of salt...
Anyway, I would need to look into that. Chinese claims have a tendency to be blown out if proportion, particularly by the media of their neighbors.
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would like to see the details if your tactical analysis on that.
I'd recommend these as an interesting starting point ([2] has videos): [1] http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2017/02/on-military-balance-of-... [2] http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2016/09/balance-of-power-in-wes...
I read through those, including some of the referenced articles. My opinion is that the DF-21 is overhyped, as is the vulnerability of CVBGs to satellite detection. I'm on my phone right now, so I'll circle back to details later.
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would like to see the details if your tactical analysis on that.
The best toys are not really widely known or battle tested. However, consider people have had a long time to prepare for aircraft carriers without a direct conflict between major powers and aircraft carriers are easily tracked in real time by satellites. Further, they might as well be sitting still in terms of a high mach (AKA 10+) missiles. PS: Remember, we where doing optical recognition for missiles twenty years a…
> The best toys are not really widely known or battle tested.
I know, I worked on some of them.
> However, consider people have had a long time to prepare for aircraft carriers without a direct conflict between major powers and aircraft carriers are easily tracked in real time by satellites.
As I mentioned in another reply, it isn't as easy as some people seem to think to find and track a CVBG by satellite. As I also mentioned, I'll go into more detail when I'm not on my phone.
> Further, they might as well be sitting still in terms of a high mach (AKA 10+) missiles.
I'm not aware of any hypersonic cruise missiles in that range, and those that approach it have relatively short ranges. I would need to look at this further.
> PS: Remember, we where doing optical recognition for missiles twenty years ago. So, reasonably close is going to be a hit most of the time.
Longer, I believe. Image recognition for terminal guidance is not foolproof, though. Plus, as with any weapons system the countermeasures groups have not been sitting still.
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No, it's 2 F35s. Unit cost will be a bit under 100mm each.
Does that price include oxygen? Not all of them do [0]. [0] https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/06/13/f35_pilots_report_h...
You'd like to think they'd investigate why some of their new planes cause hypoxia. Unfortunately, the scale of the problem makes it easier to try to understand why one variant (Marine Corps) ISN'T having the problem.
https://news.usni.org/2017/06/14/aviation-leaders-still-unsu...
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#80That's like 1/5 the cost of one F35 Flying Turkey?
No, it's 2 F35s. Unit cost will be a bit under 100mm each.
Unit costs can only be determined after enough runs permit you to take the spent budget and divide by the number of units built. What you're describing is a projection and it only holds if the full run is built. If it gets cut short, the unit costs are higher because of the non-recoverable costs.