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Re: Developers who use spaces make more money than those who use tabs

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Post by okreallywtf »

dmix wrote: post #100
okreallywtf wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems unfair to downvote you just for misunderstanding, that was sarcasm friend.

It's pretty much an unwritten rule that a sarcastic joke on the internet with sufficient exposure will get a response by someone who didn't get it. Using /s really kills the fun (and whole point) of using sarcasm so it's a trade off to accept these comments will happen. I'm impartial to downvoting as to reply literally doesn't usually add to the conversation, which is generally the point of downvoting. Losing karma s…

Yeah, I guess. If the person didn't catch the sarcasm they probably won't catch why they are being downvoted, at least 1 person has to tell them.

Re: Developers who use spaces make more money than those who use tabs

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Post by sqeaky »

pseudalopex wrote: post #413
tom_mellior wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is exactly why I use tabs and the reason which appears to never get cited in the holy wars. I see this cited every time. Unfortunately, it's bogus in practice. Consider: print('some long thing', further, arguments) If this is an indented block, you'd have to indent the second line to the correct depth with tabs, then add exactly six spaces for alignment . You have to mix spaces and tabs, which is never good ne…

Yes, Emacs used to group spaces into tabs. I think most editors these days do the right thing. This problem goes away if you indent parameters instead of aligning them: print( 'some long thing', further, arguments) In this case it takes an extra line, but it's often shorter.[1] [1] https://github.com/pennersr/django-allauth/blob/a44134688f5b...

Gross, You purt 3 parameters are on two lines. Either indent none of them and keep it on one line or indent all of them. What are you doing, trying to hide "arguments"?

Re: Developers who use spaces make more money than those who use tabs

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Post by guelo »

Twirrim wrote: post #462

I used to work at a place where a huge argument occurred between staff, fighting over tabs vs spaces. It wasn't mentioned in the company code style. Eventually leadership got annoyed at the amount of time developers were wasting punting code reviews back and forth over this silly nonsense, let alone the loud altercations around the office. Who ever could have guessed that developers would be such an opinionated bunch…

The fours for the threes? That's not funny at all. Not much of a payoff for such a long joke.

Re: Developers who use spaces make more money than those who use tabs

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Post by koko775 »

guelo wrote: post #493
Twirrim wrote: post #462

I used to work at a place where a huge argument occurred between staff, fighting over tabs vs spaces. It wasn't mentioned in the company code style. Eventually leadership got annoyed at the amount of time developers were wasting punting code reviews back and forth over this silly nonsense, let alone the loud altercations around the office. Who ever could have guessed that developers would be such an opinionated bunch…

The fours for the threes? That's not funny at all. Not much of a payoff for such a long joke.

It's a pun. Couldn't see the forest for the trees -> paid too much attention to a small thing without looking at the biggest picture.

Re: Developers who use spaces make more money than those who use tabs

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Post by archon810 »

Twirrim wrote: post #462

I used to work at a place where a huge argument occurred between staff, fighting over tabs vs spaces. It wasn't mentioned in the company code style. Eventually leadership got annoyed at the amount of time developers were wasting punting code reviews back and forth over this silly nonsense, let alone the loud altercations around the office. Who ever could have guessed that developers would be such an opinionated bunch…

God damnit.

Re: Developers who use spaces make more money than those who use tabs

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Post by lwansbrough »

jdc0589 wrote: post #339
mcv wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My answer would be: why are you asking me? Shouldn't I be asking you? Do you have coding standards here? Or is it going to be my job to decide on the coding standards?

and you would have missed the point of the question entirely. Regardless, thats a pretty unnecessarily aggressive response to an interview question; or maybe I'm just reading it that way.

I read it that way too, but maybe that's another reason for asking the question? ("Who is going to be hostile about insignificant decisions?")

Re: Developers who use spaces make more money than those who use tabs

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Post by tpolm »

barrkel wrote: post #44
IanDrake wrote: post #34

Older people use spaces. Older people make more money because they are further along in their career. Thus it only appears spaces make more than tabs, when it's really about age. Just a guess.

The graph has experience as its y axis.

years of experience != age.

Re: Developers who use spaces make more money than those who use tabs

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Post by tpolm »

thehardsphere wrote: post #72
jmnicolas wrote: post #33

Maybe it's an age thing : older devs tend to prefer spaces and are usually more paid than young devs.

They explicitly rejected this explanation after controlling for years of experience.

age != years of experience

Re: Developers who use spaces make more money than those who use tabs

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Post by pbh101 »

lhorie wrote: post #276
timhwang21 wrote: post #25

Well, of course. Only companies with fuck-you money can afford the extra bytes spaces take up versus tabs, so it follows logically that they'd pay their developers more.

While your comment is obviously meant as a joke, it somehow rings true from my anecdotal experience. I'd also like to see an analysis of space-vs-tabs as it relates to operating systems. Again, from anecdotal experience, it seems spaces are more common for folks with *nix background who tend to work in product-oriented companies (i.e. where code is an asset) and tabs are more common with windows folks, who tend to wo…

Most of the time I've seen people refer to code as a liability, they aren't referring to the 'cost-center' mentality, but rather recognizing code is the liability you incur in order to get the business value [1], and thus you should minimize the code you write per solved business problem.

[1]: https://twitter.com/tastapod/status/726747175317852160

Re: Developers who use spaces make more money than those who use tabs

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Post by dagenleg »

jinglebells wrote: post #201
redm wrote: post #123

The reason I use tabs is pretty simple. It's faster to move around only using the keyboard. It's also faster if I'm changing code that requires reformatting. Finally, when another developer looks at the code, their IDE will render the tabs as whatever its set up for, 2 spaces, 4 spaces, etc. In other words, it adds flexibility. Brace yourself: I use two spaces after the end of sentences too. [1] I am quite the rebel.…

> Finally, when another developer looks at the code, their IDE will render the tabs as whatever its set up for, 2 spaces, 4 spaces, etc. In other words, it adds flexibility. This is exactly why I use tabs and the reason which appears to never get cited in the holy wars. People who use spaces want to line up their '=' signs, that's fine, but I don't believe it's my position to enforce the amount of whitespace another…

> Python's rule used to be 8 spaces

Interesting. Unfortunately I cannot find anything on the internet regarding that. Care to share a link proving that?

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