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Re: Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon

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Serious question..... but also more me fleshing out my thoughts on messaging apps.... What is the point in buying a messaging app? - instant messenger - ICQ - Skype - Yammer - WhatsApp They all seem to be popular for a short time and then fad away. What does owing one of these get a company? The case against owning them is that they all go out of favour and you only have a small window, say up to 5 years, where your…

We all asked the same question about Facebook. All social networks before Facebook had faded away. But, Facebook didn't. Potential Slack buyers think that Slack is also here to stay in a similar manner. EDIT: I'm not saying Slack is Facebook.

One reason why I think Slack may survive longer than ICQ, Skype etc is how well integrated it is with all other services. For a tool to replace Slack, it should also provide the same level of seamless integration with GitHub, Google Docs, and a hundred other services. That's much harder to do than just building a messaging app.

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I think of all of those WhatsApp has been the most successful both in terms of moat defense purposes and it still has the potential of turning into something like WeChat or LINE (or what they're doing with FB Messenger itself) with its own monetization. For Skype I think it was mostly about rounding out the office suite, MS doesn't want anyone else getting a toehold in workplace collaboration and expanding from there…

Agreed. These purchases seem to work the best when they're used for defensive purposes and to round out a product offering that already has a substantial userbase . Whatever gadgets they might hang off the app, they're fundamentally a way for people to talk to each other. If you don't have the people, why would you need a slick implementation? As you mentioned, the app would go out of vogue and users would move on. A…

> Of all the mega-corps, Amazon is one of the few that has all the pieces and user-engagement, but no social component.

Honest question, since I might be out of the loop here in Europe, but what user engagement pieces does Amazon have then ? I use Amazon for shopping and AWS, and would have no idea what other products they have that are dominating a market. Is this about Kindle ?

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Serious question..... but also more me fleshing out my thoughts on messaging apps.... What is the point in buying a messaging app? - instant messenger - ICQ - Skype - Yammer - WhatsApp They all seem to be popular for a short time and then fad away. What does owing one of these get a company? The case against owning them is that they all go out of favour and you only have a small window, say up to 5 years, where your…

Large corporations will buy messaging / social networks over time because of the fact that there is a long tail for people who will use the service. The perception that app X is "uncool" or has no growth is the fact that being a part of HN makes you think that the bleeding edge is whatever everyone uses. Of those other frameworks there are a multitude of users on those platforms. The perpetual buying of these companies is a part of the Red Queen hypothesis that large megacorporations have to adapt to survive. One way to do this is the purchase of companies and messaging and social have so much cool platform churn that it becomes endless.

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Is all data on slack just available for viewing? If it were so I think its customers would have raised this as an issue by now.

Public slack, yes. But you also have enterprise slack, which is hosted on an organizations' own machines. I imagine they don't have access to that data.

Hmm, it looks like they still host it.

https://slack.com/enterprise

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Really believe that Microsoft should have bought Slack. It makes perfect sense for them and aligns with their vision to be the productivity center of everyone's workflow. Microsoft doesnt understand this space at all. Look what they are doing to Skype by making it more like Snapchat when their main use case is business related. Teams also feels so unfinished.

>Look what they are doing to Skype by making it more like Snapchat Yes I was definitely thrown for a loop with the new Skype that auto-installed on my phone. I'm a boring 37 year old developer that needs skype for business calls, why the hell does it now look like some teenager's social app?

Exactly. Way to abandon most of older folks who actually purchase Skype credits.

PS. ux-app looks interesting. I can give some feed back as a designer if you want.

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Few organizations care. And those that do get left in the dust by organizations that don't.

> Few organizations care. And those that do get left in the dust by organizations that don't. Are you saying that organizations that care to keep secrets get left behind by those that don't? That sounds kind of ridiculous.

We live in interesting times.

Organizations that refuse to use Slack are at a disadvantage. When employees show up and realize there's no Slack, they start to analyze all other company decisions. How much effort could be saved just by using Slack? Those secrets had better be important to justify this loss.

There are alternatives. Rocket Chat is self-hosted, and maybe it's sufficient. But second-place software will always feel second-place.

If your reasoning is solely "We are a company, so we have secrets," that's justifiable only in narrow domains, like a security company.

For the rest, and especially at startups, the strategic risk of revealing your secrets to Slack is counterbalanced by the fact that Slack can't take advantage of those secrets without committing suicide. The moment everyone stops trusting Slack, that trust is gone forever.

In the meantime, Slack has been a faithful steward. What are the risks? An employee could go rogue and steal the data. An acquirer like Amazon could use the data maliciously. Slack could get hacked and the data could be made available publicly.

Of those, getting hacked is the only relevant concern. Employees are unlikely to end their careers by stealing data. But if Slack's data is ever stolen and made public, everyone will have egg on their face simultaneously. That means it's less likely to be a disaster for any individual organization.

Talent has a way of sniffing out incongruities like this. When an organizational mandate doesn't pass the bullshit test, opinionated talent will usually try to change the situation, or leave. And opinionated talent tends to be effective talent.

When effective talent leaves, better watch out. You might have suddenly become one of those organizations that find it impossible to attract top performers.

To put it plainly, who would want to work someplace that puts the company's quality of life over the employee's over something so trivial?

Of the startups that will eventually survive, even if all of them revealed all of their operational and strategic insights simultaneously, they're unlikely to die. Or even be slowed down, really. Most startups are working on ideas that seem bad. That's why startup investing is hard. Revealing your seemingly-bad strategies to the world won't change much. And if your idea seems good, you tend to be entrenched. It's unlikely some other company could form and steal it from under you before you can execute on it.

In all but a handful of domains, we're left with repellant pseudo-justifications for avoiding the one tool that everybody uses. Hopefully those secrets were very important!

Re: Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon

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Serious question..... but also more me fleshing out my thoughts on messaging apps.... What is the point in buying a messaging app? - instant messenger - ICQ - Skype - Yammer - WhatsApp They all seem to be popular for a short time and then fad away. What does owing one of these get a company? The case against owning them is that they all go out of favour and you only have a small window, say up to 5 years, where your…

We all asked the same question about Facebook. All social networks before Facebook had faded away. But, Facebook didn't. Potential Slack buyers think that Slack is also here to stay in a similar manner. EDIT: I'm not saying Slack is Facebook. One reason why I think Slack may survive longer than ICQ, Skype etc is how well integrated it is with all other services. For a tool to replace Slack, it should also provide the…

Facebook isn't just about the people on it at this instant, it is about the accumulated history people build up on it.

Exporting your Facebook profile is a labyrinthian effort few would consider.

Switching chat providers is as simple as getting everyone to use the new thing and going from there, there is little to no baggage to bring with you.

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