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Europe mostly ends mobile roaming fees from today

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Re: Europe mostly ends mobile roaming fees from today

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post #38

I'm wondering why the regulation was necessary and why the free market forces didn't bring the prices or roaming down? What are the forces in telecom industry that kept the prices so high (assuming that the prices were higher then necessary)?

It did in some cases - same operators across borders, or some neighboring country specials. But nothing global.

Re: Europe mostly ends mobile roaming fees from today

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Uk three. Uk is the only sane (at least on this topic) country left in the EU in which you could buy a sim card without photo id.

French operator Free sells prepaid SIM cards through vending machines in many places. No ID check, totally automated, machine spits out a SIM of your chosen type along with a receipt with necessary info.

I wouldn't describe the Free SIM cards as prepaid, they are a pay monthly subscription.

You can also order them online for delivery to a specified address, they don't seem to check whether it is your home address but mine is paid using a French bank account which may help.

Re: Europe mostly ends mobile roaming fees from today

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So the cost incurred will be passed on to everyone in higher fees. eg people who never "roam" are going to be subsidising those people that do. A negative move spun as a positive... clever EU, clever.

The costs are negligible.

But since they can no longer gouge roaming visitors, they will have to cover that lost income which means raised prices.

Re: Europe mostly ends mobile roaming fees from today

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post #63

This idea was good. But in reality what happened in Latvia was very simple and expected move by telcos - all three of them raised prices for all subscriptions by about 3€-4€ monthly (which is ~30% increase). Yes, now you can feel better while traveling, however everyone now pays extra every single month. For some situation now is better, while others pay for it even if they do not need such freedom. Those who are in…

Comparing, in Lithuania, nothing much has changed in regards to local prices but for EU, they actually still provide separate additional packages. The best one for internet seems to be 3eur/1GB.

Re: Europe mostly ends mobile roaming fees from today

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> calling foreign numbers will cost more at home than when travelling abroad How so?

Unless your provider’s plan includes calling abroad at domestic rates, calling a foreign number from home will be more expensive than calling that same foreign number from another member state. It’s a rather absurd consequence of the fact that it was decided that any communication from the state your provider is in (calls, data usage, etc.) is not technically “roaming”, and therefore not part of the “Roam like at hom…

Suppose I have an Italian SIM and pay x to call Italian numbers, and 2x to call French ones. If I go to France, with these rules, I think I'll still pay x to call Italian numbers, and 2x to call French ones?

Re: Europe mostly ends mobile roaming fees from today

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post #59
post #38

I'm wondering why the regulation was necessary and why the free market forces didn't bring the prices or roaming down? What are the forces in telecom industry that kept the prices so high (assuming that the prices were higher then necessary)?

Because it's a confusopoly[1] and roaming charges (like data overage charges) weren't part of the headline offer, which was generally UNLIMITED calls and texts and a FREE phone when you pay £X per month . Same as 'free' banking in the UK, which is in reality heavily cross-subsidised by the poorest customers paying overdraft penalties. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confusopoly

Britain has some of the most forgiving overdraft penalties in Europe. My mother spends time in France and has a French bank account, going overdrawn over there is a seriously big deal even if you have an otherwise stellar record and the charges are punitive even if you have a facility.

Re: Europe mostly ends mobile roaming fees from today

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post #132

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However the situation is much better now. It was very common for us French people to discover a huge roaming bill after a trip in another European country. At least roaming cost are becoming predictable

Yes, because it appears the Latvians are now subsidising your roaming charges.

There are two million Latvians. Pre-Brexit EU has over 500 million citizens. Your math doesn't work unless each Latvian is paying 5000 euros / month.

Re: Europe mostly ends mobile roaming fees from today

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post #63

This idea was good. But in reality what happened in Latvia was very simple and expected move by telcos - all three of them raised prices for all subscriptions by about 3€-4€ monthly (which is ~30% increase). Yes, now you can feel better while traveling, however everyone now pays extra every single month. For some situation now is better, while others pay for it even if they do not need such freedom. Those who are in…

"It's interesting to see how comment which states facts, can get upvoted and downvoted this much"

That's what happens when you let programmers try running a social site like this, especially when they have no real idea of social grace.

Re: Europe mostly ends mobile roaming fees from today

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post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

French operator Free sells prepaid SIM cards through vending machines in many places. No ID check, totally automated, machine spits out a SIM of your chosen type along with a receipt with necessary info.

I wouldn't describe the Free SIM cards as prepaid, they are a pay monthly subscription. You can also order them online for delivery to a specified address, they don't seem to check whether it is your home address but mine is paid using a French bank account which may help.

You can actually choose between having a normal subscription (where they charge your card monthly) and paying for a certain number of months (1 or 2 iirc). If you choose the latter you have to make a new payment manually (where - again - you choose how many months you wish to pay for), otherwise your number will be automatically terminated. I'd say it's fair to call that prepaid.
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