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Europe mostly ends mobile roaming fees from today

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Re: Europe mostly ends mobile roaming fees from today

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I'm wondering why the regulation was necessary and why the free market forces didn't bring the prices or roaming down? What are the forces in telecom industry that kept the prices so high (assuming that the prices were higher then necessary)?

Barriers to switching would be my guess. Three, in particular, has offered an amazing roaming package for years. But it's still fiddly and annoying to switch mobile providers due to long-term contracts, porting numbers and so on.

Re: Europe mostly ends mobile roaming fees from today

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post #17

What is the correct European SIM to buy for data/voice/etc. (prepaid)? Presumably best to get one from a country you don't actually visit much, so you're always roaming, and thus don't pay the home to foreign number charges?

Uk three. Uk is the only sane (at least on this topic) country left in the EU in which you could buy a sim card without photo id.

Re: Europe mostly ends mobile roaming fees from today

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This idea was good. But in reality what happened in Latvia was very simple and expected move by telcos - all three of them raised prices for all subscriptions by about 3€-4€ monthly (which is ~30% increase). Yes, now you can feel better while traveling, however everyone now pays extra every single month. For some situation now is better, while others pay for it even if they do not need such freedom. Those who are in first category are happy, others not so much.

Edited: It's interesting to see how comment which states facts, can get upvoted and downvoted this much. Sometimes voting in HN does not make any sense (to me). I understand that upvote is "thanks for letting us know those facts". What are downvotes representing? That I should not write at all, that price increase for all 3 telcos is fine, that everyone should be happy? Rhetorical question.

Re: Europe mostly ends mobile roaming fees from today

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post #38

I'm wondering why the regulation was necessary and why the free market forces didn't bring the prices or roaming down? What are the forces in telecom industry that kept the prices so high (assuming that the prices were higher then necessary)?

1. Oligoploly

2. Collusion

It's also why phone services are so much more expensive in the US than say France.

Re: Europe mostly ends mobile roaming fees from today

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post #38

I'm wondering why the regulation was necessary and why the free market forces didn't bring the prices or roaming down? What are the forces in telecom industry that kept the prices so high (assuming that the prices were higher then necessary)?

My estimate would be that the telco's rely on each others networks to 'roam', and absent of common rules, the behind the scenes peering agreements would leave someone's network with a bill to pay.

Under these circumstances, mandated cooperation would make sense to me.

Re: Europe mostly ends mobile roaming fees from today

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post #38

I'm wondering why the regulation was necessary and why the free market forces didn't bring the prices or roaming down? What are the forces in telecom industry that kept the prices so high (assuming that the prices were higher then necessary)?

EU is a political effort to bring countries together and this is part of it - in this case, consumers will benefit. If not regulated, telcos would be capitalizing MUCH on open EU borders and (more or less) free travel within EU...

Re: Europe mostly ends mobile roaming fees from today

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post #38

I'm wondering why the regulation was necessary and why the free market forces didn't bring the prices or roaming down? What are the forces in telecom industry that kept the prices so high (assuming that the prices were higher then necessary)?

30 years ago we had carphones, later we only had cartels. ;)

Re: Europe mostly ends mobile roaming fees from today

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is still a cost. And that cost is going to be passed on to everyone whether you use it or not.

The abolishing of roaming charges also applies between operators. As the true technical cost for roaming is negligible there is really no passing of charges from those who use it to those who don't.

Is this a recent change? I hadn't heard of such.

So, e.g. Telia doesn't have to pay any roaming charge to WIND Hellas if a Telia customer from Sweden goes to Greece and connects that network?

Previously I heard a cap of 7 € per gigabyte for data fees was regulated.

Re: Europe mostly ends mobile roaming fees from today

#69

Yeah, the telcos have already found a way out. They simply remove EU roaming from their standard subscriptions and it now becomes an add-on. So if you want to use your phone in a different country during the holidays, you'll need an EU roaming subscription. The politicians once again failed to be sufficient precise in formulating a law that would produce the decided result. They should have added a clause that state…

Anecdotal but not the case for me. I have a dual sim phone with a Virgin UK SIM and a Meo Portuguese SIM - both sent me texts recently saying my plans now work across Europe without roaming charges (and they aren't super impressive plans, just standard ones).

Re: Europe mostly ends mobile roaming fees from today

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post #40
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wrong. If tourist movement is spread out across Europe equally, then mostly nobody will need to subsidize anything, since the mobile operators will be paying each other. Of course, cost per GB is different in some regions, but interestingly most popular tourist places are on the Mediterranean where data plans cost less.

> If tourist movement is spread out across Europe equally It's not.

I know. Some operators will benefit slightly, some will not. And every tourist is satisfied. This is what I would call a good policy.

Also there are protection plans in the policy for the extremely unlikely scenario that a company is not making a net profit.

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