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Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of social norms

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Re: Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of social norms

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Post by bogomipz »

rabboRubble wrote: post #89
bogomipz wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The phrase "responding to criticism" appears twice in your link and "the criticism" appears once. There are no sources for the actual criticism or where it appeared, it's like an abstract thing. Such is Techcrunh

Here is a case where FB was criticized for not turning on their safety check feature. I've seen similar for events in Africa that went without FB's safety check feature being turned on. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/facebook-criticised-... Edit: Found the African event: https://qz.com/638428/facebook-is-being-criticized-for-not-a...

>"Lebanese blogger Joey Ayoub, who studies at the School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS) in London, wrote in a blog post on Saturday: “These have been two horrible nights. The first took the lives of over 40 in Beirut, the second took the lives of over 100 in Paris.

Mr Ayoub’s blog post has been shared over 10,000 times on Facebook, according to Aljazeera."

One person sits down and takes the time to be thoughtful and compose actual criticism. 10K do nothing but click a link to share it. Is that the same as 10,0001 individual criticisms?

Re: Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of social norms

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Post by huac »

clusmore wrote: post #19

>But by making Safety Check a default expectation Facebook flips the norms of societal behavior and suddenly no one can feel safe unless everyone has manually checked the Facebook box marked “safe”. I'm not buying this statement. Where is the evidence of this? The article features two tweets from nondescript people stating they think the feature spreads unnecessary fear, but features no tweets from people who actuall…

I was in Paris during the bombings, and the Facebook interface then showed 'friends in the area, who haven't checked in' - it goes out to all your friends, which increases the number of people who get worried.

Re: Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of social norms

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Post by twright0 »

Analemma_ wrote: post #45
whatevthrow31 wrote: post #20

Ok, I had to make a throwaway for this because apparently its a heated debate. Why does everything Facebook do have to be so heavily criticized? Safety Check is a wonderful feature. If I remember correctly, it started off as an internal hackathon project that got turned into a full feature. They get shit if they turn it on (here), and if they don't turn it on (past tragedies where they failed to turn it on). Why does…

Zuckerberg said plainly that people who trust him are "dumb fucks", so I have what I think is the natural response and don't trust him. It's not complicated.

He was 19 at the time he wrote that. He is 33 now. I'm not sure it's natural or fair to judge someone predominantly on an off-the-cuff comment they made almost half their lives ago. I certainly said things at 19 that I wouldn't want attached to my professional identity and that aren't representative of my beliefs and mindset now. While I don't know you, the same is likely true of you, or will be someday.

How long in the past does something like that need to be before you can start taking other evidence into account?

Re: Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of social norms

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Post by praneshp »

Analemma_ wrote: post #45
whatevthrow31 wrote: post #20

Ok, I had to make a throwaway for this because apparently its a heated debate. Why does everything Facebook do have to be so heavily criticized? Safety Check is a wonderful feature. If I remember correctly, it started off as an internal hackathon project that got turned into a full feature. They get shit if they turn it on (here), and if they don't turn it on (past tragedies where they failed to turn it on). Why does…

Zuckerberg said plainly that people who trust him are "dumb fucks", so I have what I think is the natural response and don't trust him. It's not complicated.

I assume you also expect people who commit crimes to rot in jail forever, and do not support rehabilitation instead.

Because the dumb fucks comment was in 2004.

Edit: (In case you nitpick my analogy) I guess you would not hire a person that was jailed in the past, because you cannot trust them.

Re: Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of social norms

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Post by rabboRubble »

raleighm wrote: post #98
rabboRubble wrote: post #78

I lived through a major natural disaster that left me an evacuee for months. Facebook's safety check is the only reason I haven't killed my account and I've said this before in prior comments here on Hacker News. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14412146 Thank god the author hasn't lived through an event where everybody you know is affected by the event. The ability to say "I'm okay", say it once, and have everyb…

I've benefited from those services in Japan, including during 3/11 disaster. They are deployed judiciously and at an appropriate scope. One never gets the sense that commercial motivation has anything to do with the alerts. Same can't be said of Facebook's feature as far as I can tell.

I'm not certain, but maybe the disaster boards are mandated by Japan's teleco law? IDK...

I do recollect that the FB safety check was launched, in large part, because of the 3/11 disaster. Maybe for commercial reasons, but I do recall companies doing whatever they could to help the people of Japan at the time.

https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2014/10/introducing-safety-chec...

Re: Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of social norms

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Post by King-Aaron »

bogomipz wrote: post #93
rabboRubble wrote: post #78

I lived through a major natural disaster that left me an evacuee for months. Facebook's safety check is the only reason I haven't killed my account and I've said this before in prior comments here on Hacker News. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14412146 Thank god the author hasn't lived through an event where everybody you know is affected by the event. The ability to say "I'm okay", say it once, and have everyb…

>"Thank god the author hasn't lived through an event where everybody you know is affected by the event." How do you know they haven't? Just because you have and feel one way doesn't mean they haven't. >"If he's feeling stressed out because of FB opening the "I'm okay" service in that small area for that catastrophic fire," I'm not sure I would consider 6 miles a 'small area.'

> I'm not sure I would consider 6 miles a 'small area.'

If you're like me, living in Australia... 6 miles is considerably tiny :P

Re: Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of social norms

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Post by sillysaurus3 »

whatevthrow31 wrote: post #20

Ok, I had to make a throwaway for this because apparently its a heated debate. Why does everything Facebook do have to be so heavily criticized? Safety Check is a wonderful feature. If I remember correctly, it started off as an internal hackathon project that got turned into a full feature. They get shit if they turn it on (here), and if they don't turn it on (past tragedies where they failed to turn it on). Why does…

Ok, I had to make a throwaway for this because apparently its a heated debate.

You may like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14456200 which hides your comment scores and scrambles your karma counters.

I find that without the distraction of downvotes, it's much easier to have substantive conversations even on heated topics.

Re: Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of social norms

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Post by throwaway2048 »

praneshp wrote: post #104
Analemma_ wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zuckerberg said plainly that people who trust him are "dumb fucks", so I have what I think is the natural response and don't trust him. It's not complicated.

I assume you also expect people who commit crimes to rot in jail forever, and do not support rehabilitation instead. Because the dumb fucks comment was in 2004. Edit: (In case you nitpick my analogy) I guess you would not hire a person that was jailed in the past, because you cannot trust them.

I see no evidence whatsoever that facebook has earned my trust.

Re: Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of social norms

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Post by lngnmn »

Doesn't social norms depend upon location, community, and culture?

Hipster's demand to respect that shallow outward sophistication they cosplay cannot be considered as a universal standard.

For most people there is nothing stress-inducing. Merely boring stuff.

Re: Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of social norms

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Post by amaks »

adrianlmm wrote: post #52
naasking wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you suggesting that only Google employees can hate and distrust Facebook?

It is weird that Facebook always get bashed for privacy and Google (who is even worse in that aspect) always get a free pass, just saying.

"Google (who is even worse in that aspect)"

Proof?

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