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Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of social norms

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Re: Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of social norms

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Post by kevinwang »

fratlas wrote: post #29
whatevthrow31 wrote: post #20

Ok, I had to make a throwaway for this because apparently its a heated debate. Why does everything Facebook do have to be so heavily criticized? Safety Check is a wonderful feature. If I remember correctly, it started off as an internal hackathon project that got turned into a full feature. They get shit if they turn it on (here), and if they don't turn it on (past tragedies where they failed to turn it on). Why does…

I agree with you up until the mic comment. I ran a few tests with friends. We talked about very obscure topics repeatedly (and nothing else) that we would otherwise would have never messaged, and after scrolling 2 mins, targeted ads appeared for those topics. Happened for multiple topics.

are you serious? Which app/phone?

Re: Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of social norms

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Post by whatevthrow31 »

adrianlmm wrote: post #28
whatevthrow31 wrote: post #20

Ok, I had to make a throwaway for this because apparently its a heated debate. Why does everything Facebook do have to be so heavily criticized? Safety Check is a wonderful feature. If I remember correctly, it started off as an internal hackathon project that got turned into a full feature. They get shit if they turn it on (here), and if they don't turn it on (past tragedies where they failed to turn it on). Why does…

Facebook is mainly hated here by Google employees or Google advocates because is some how more successul than them.

I've been at both companies. I highly doubt HN is filled with Google employees bashing Facebook.

Re: Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of social norms

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Post by rlucas »

austenallred wrote: post #22
aaron-lebo wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's obvious abstract reasons why they should stop using it: 1. Facebook knows about all of your interactions on Facebook, and they probably know what you are buying and what sites you visit through tracking mechanisms. In real life we call those people stalkers. 2. What utility are they really getting? Is keeping up with every part of your friend's life (or the good parts they show you) really worth the stress an…

> Facebook knows about all of your interactions on Facebook, and they probably know what you are buying and what sites you visit through tracking mechanisms. So what? I mean that earnestly - why is it inherently bad if a company knows a lot about me? > What utility are they really getting? It's fake utility. Do you really believe that easily keeping up with friends is "fake" utility? You really think that billions of…

42% of the US population smoked daily. You really think that a hundred million people lit up daily with no "real" utility?

Re: Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of social norms

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Post by adrianlmm »

whatevthrow31 wrote: post #32
adrianlmm wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook is mainly hated here by Google employees or Google advocates because is some how more successul than them.

I've been at both companies. I highly doubt HN is filled with Google employees bashing Facebook.

Then, who are those people?

Re: Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of social norms

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Post by batiudrami »

aaron-lebo wrote: post #18
austenallred wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What rationale could I possibly give someone to stop using Facebook that would convince them to forgo all of the value they get from it?

There's obvious abstract reasons why they should stop using it: 1. Facebook knows about all of your interactions on Facebook, and they probably know what you are buying and what sites you visit through tracking mechanisms. In real life we call those people stalkers. 2. What utility are they really getting? Is keeping up with every part of your friend's life (or the good parts they show you) really worth the stress an…

The HN set really doesn't seem to understand where the value of Facebook actually is. It's not the feed. The feed is mind numbing, time wasting garbage. It's being able to communicate and organise things, with all your friends, in the one place. It's in Facebook Messenger, which everyone has. It's in events organisation and events discovery. It's in groups.

Facebook supplies a directory of everything happening in my city, algorithmically curated against things Facebook thinks I will like and which my friends have said they're interested in attending. It lets me organise my own events, and communicate easily with attendees, who can see which of their friends are attending and make plans. It lets me make contact with people I briefly met in person but wouldn't have grabbed their phone number/wouldn't text them out of the blue yet (because who does that?).

Re: Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of social norms

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Post by porpoisemonkey »

whatevthrow31 wrote: post #20

Ok, I had to make a throwaway for this because apparently its a heated debate. Why does everything Facebook do have to be so heavily criticized? Safety Check is a wonderful feature. If I remember correctly, it started off as an internal hackathon project that got turned into a full feature. They get shit if they turn it on (here), and if they don't turn it on (past tragedies where they failed to turn it on). Why does…

My general feeling from the comments I've seen over the years is that HN is not keen on market leading companies in general. I suspect it could be due to a selective audience since the site is tailored to entrepreneurs and startups.

Re: Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of social norms

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Post by aaron-lebo »

batiudrami wrote: post #35
aaron-lebo wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's obvious abstract reasons why they should stop using it: 1. Facebook knows about all of your interactions on Facebook, and they probably know what you are buying and what sites you visit through tracking mechanisms. In real life we call those people stalkers. 2. What utility are they really getting? Is keeping up with every part of your friend's life (or the good parts they show you) really worth the stress an…

The HN set really doesn't seem to understand where the value of Facebook actually is. It's not the feed. The feed is mind numbing, time wasting garbage. It's being able to communicate and organise things, with all your friends, in the one place. It's in Facebook Messenger, which everyone has. It's in events organisation and events discovery. It's in groups. Facebook supplies a directory of everything happening in my…

I just call my friends up. Crazy, I know.

I don't need an algorithmic feed to tell me what my interests are and what my friends are doing because I know the first and there are other ways of doing the latter that don't involve giving up my privacy.

Re: Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of social norms

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Post by bogomipz »

onewaystreet wrote: post #24

It wasn't long ago that Facebook was being criticized for not enabling Safety Check: https://techcrunch.com/2015/11/15/facebook-says-it-will-enab... >Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg committed to turning on Safety Check in more human disasters going forward, responding to criticism that the company turned on its safety feature for Paris but not for Beirut and other bombings.

The phrase "responding to criticism" appears twice in your link and "the criticism" appears once. There are no sources for the actual criticism or where it appeared, it's like an abstract thing. Such is Techcrunh

Re: Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of social norms

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Post by [deleted] »

adrianlmm wrote: post #28
whatevthrow31 wrote: post #20

Ok, I had to make a throwaway for this because apparently its a heated debate. Why does everything Facebook do have to be so heavily criticized? Safety Check is a wonderful feature. If I remember correctly, it started off as an internal hackathon project that got turned into a full feature. They get shit if they turn it on (here), and if they don't turn it on (past tragedies where they failed to turn it on). Why does…

Facebook is mainly hated here by Google employees or Google advocates because is some how more successul than them.

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Re: Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of social norms

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Post by naasking »

adrianlmm wrote: post #34
whatevthrow31 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been at both companies. I highly doubt HN is filled with Google employees bashing Facebook.

Then, who are those people?

Are you suggesting that only Google employees can hate and distrust Facebook?
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