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The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea

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Re: The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea

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I wonder why it's always North Korea. Is there no other private or governmental hacker group on the world?

I'm not sure how to parse the tone of your post, but assuming you're asking somewhat seriously -- of course. And it's not always NK.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PLA_Unit_61398 (see report by Mandiant a few years ago).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberwarfare_by_Russia

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/01/world/middleeast/obama-ord...

Fun for everyone. ('fun' with a big /s)

Re: The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea

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The idea that the US needs to actively spread propaganda about North Korea is pretty ridiculous. You are aware that they have been sending missiles on a regular basis and inviting criticism from pretty much everyone. Who exactly is pro-North Korea that the US is trying to sway ?

> Who exactly is pro-North Korea that the US is trying to sway? Perhaps China. However, propaganda doesn't have to be false. It just has to fit the narrative. Hmm. This could even be an attack on bitcoin itself? We already know North Korea is bad, then North Korea uses bitcoin, therefore bitcoin = bad? In this case, there would be a motive to plant a false attribution to North Korea.

Yes, perhaps China.

Or perhaps, a goal is making China look bad. Or as you say, Bitcoin.

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It's ~impossible to prove who's behind any attack these days given code-reuse, false flags & TOR. Anyone who claims to be able to do it reliably, is bullshitting you and likely has an agenda.

Not really. Very few attacks dedicate enough effort to evasion or anti-forensics to be completely untraceable.

There are plenty of things that get reused such as public keys that can be reliably tied to a group. There are also many private indicators that are not released to the general public Discovering who funds that group or where they operate from can be tougher, but APT groups are trackable.

Re: The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea

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Maybe I'm old fashioned but I take any hacking blame from gov to gov as likely propaganda.

The idea that the US needs to actively spread propaganda about North Korea is pretty ridiculous. You are aware that they have been sending missiles on a regular basis and inviting criticism from pretty much everyone. Who exactly is pro-North Korea that the US is trying to sway ?

> exactly is pro-North Korea that the US is trying to sway ?

What if the point is not to sway any "pro-North Korea" people, but to make as many as possible "anti-North Korea".

It will be much easier to justify a war with them that way, because, you know, the US needs someone to go to war with next.

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> And this is based on what, exactly ? The NSA developed the exploits that WannaCry was based on. The NSA lost control of its weapon (EternalBlue) in the Shadow Brokers leak and the world suffered economic damage as a consequence. The NSA doesn't seem interested in switching to a more defensive role where they will inform software makers of the security problems they find. Instead they seem intent on maintaining offe…

To be fair, the NSA was never given the mission to take on that defensive role you state. Their mission includes the defense of classified systems. Defense of any other systems is not their responsibility. The offensive capability you state is part of their mission and is what NSA was created for.

> The NSA was never given the mission to take on that defensive role you state.

It's both. James Clapper (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Clapper), former director of national intelligence, says the NSA has a review process to decide whether or not to disclose vulnerabilities to software vendors. Nothing in their mission prevents them from doing it. They're choosing not to do it.

Look at the slogan on the NSA's website (https://www.nsa.gov/): "Defending our Nation. Securing the Future". It's difficult to say with a straight face that they are defending the nation when they are willingly leaving domestic networks open to attack from zero days.

The NSA says (https://www.nsa.gov/what-we-do/) national decision makers "Must be able to outmaneuver those who would do us harm in cyberspace." How are you outmaneuvering anyone when you allow systems to remain open to harm?

Re: The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea that the US needs to actively spread propaganda about North Korea is pretty ridiculous. You are aware that they have been sending missiles on a regular basis and inviting criticism from pretty much everyone. Who exactly is pro-North Korea that the US is trying to sway ?

While I don't think this is the case here, specifically, propaganda isn't always about swaying people from anti- to pro-; it could be for swaying people from "they are bad, but not that dangerous" to "they are dangerous enough that we should intervene with force"

I think it's more like "there is your bogeyman, stop looking at us".

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Did people think highly of Saddam in 2003?

There was lots of skepticism but in the end because of lack of good humint a lot of weight was placed on his behavior (his continued pretense/bluffing for the purpose of not disclosing weakness to Iran), the international community with the US at the lead reached a faulty conclusion. With regard to DPRK S Korea has great humint and we have multiple defectors corroborating each other (whereas Iraq there was basically…

"the international community with the US at the lead reached a faulty conclusion"

Mistakes can happen and be forgiven but deception is seldom forgotten. It didn't go down quite so innocently as you portray. It appears painfully obvious that there were/are many parties with economic and other interests who were behind what turned into a giant expensive catastrophe and killed hundreds of thousands. No one has even been reprimanded much less punished. A lot of them are still around trying to beat war drums for Syria. Trust was broken. The effects of that will go on for a long time and they aren't good.

re. North Korea "There is no question as toward their progress nor their intentions."

Fully agree. Very much unlike Iraq (or even less Iran and Syria) NK is truly dangerous and leaving them to continue their present course doesn't seem wise.

Supporting almost no military adventures the US has engaged in over the last 30 years I would fully support any action necessary against NK. But hopefully it doesn't come to that.

It's a shame someone has been calling wolf every few years for economic gains and now when a real wolf is at the door lots of people won't listen. Look at the comments on this thread. People don't trust. And with very good reason. But in the case of NK I think they are mistaken. If there is a place a germ or technology comes out of that kills half the globe it will be there. ISIS are a bunch of circus clowns in comparison.

Re: The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea

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Maybe I'm old fashioned but I take any hacking blame from gov to gov as likely propaganda.

Very possible, but any refusal/dissuasion against considering such possibilities can equally serve propaganda. This observation is no more profound than the insight that advertising is usually trying to get you to buy something.

Re: The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea that the US needs to actively spread propaganda about North Korea is pretty ridiculous. You are aware that they have been sending missiles on a regular basis and inviting criticism from pretty much everyone. Who exactly is pro-North Korea that the US is trying to sway ?

And what has the US been doing for the last 50 years exactly ? If not dropping missiles and bombs on civilian populations abroad under the pretence of "spreading democracy" and "stopping terrorism"

Among other things, yes. I'm fairly sure you'd rather live in the US than North Korea, though. And I say that as someone who's not American and has a very dim view of capitalism and imperialism.
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