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The Hidden Cost of Privatization

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Re: The Hidden Cost of Privatization

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Rebuttal: http://www.heritage.org/budget-and-spending/report/the-impac...

There are many defensible arguments against government programs from across the social and political spectrums, but they don't come from the Heritage Foundation. They have a severe beyond reason bias against government.

Do you think Institute for New Economic Thinking, a think thank founded by George Soros, is any less biased?

Re: The Hidden Cost of Privatization

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Getting rid of unions will increase income inequality. Just compare for profit higher education with public higher education. The wages/benefits for workers former very much lag those of the latter. Private prisons pay way less too. But the people at the top get outsized pay. The cost savings to taxpayers are not sufficient to justify this inequity.

Imagine if unions were strong and IT were unionized. How would you imagine the progress we've seen in information technology? The impact on progress should not be discounted as an externality. Imagine if taxicabs or any livery service of any kind had to have a union member associated with it. Would autonomous cars make the same progress (for example, we can have autonomous subways/trains but they have to be "personne…

> Imagine if unions were strong and IT were unionized. How would you imagine the progress we've seen in information technology?

Unions would've collectively bargained and agreed not to work for companies that abuse H1-B visa farms. And this whole issue would've been resolved ages ago.

Re: The Hidden Cost of Privatization

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The further those services get pushed down, the less effective they become. With smaller groups to front costs, prices go up and less services are offered.

What supports that conclusion? There are lots of services – most actually, even insurance services – that thrive with voluntary participation. And the prices are driven down by lots of different companies competing for those customers.

Health insurance is not like other insurance. As best I know, no other insurance has the feature that an identifiable subset of people will need more than they can reasonably pay in the future. If we somehow knew my house was going to fall down in the next ten years, I couldn't feasibly insure it, and there are people who'll need much more healthcare than my house costs.

Arguably that militates against treating it as insurance as opposed to a straight-up single payer system or Singapore style system (http://theweek.com/articles/684952/republicans-should-blow-e...), but it does mean you can't argue from the success of existing insurance markets.

Re: The Hidden Cost of Privatization

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The problem in Keynes thinking on "social services" is that it's impossible to gather all of the knowledge necessary to ascertain what those would be. That knowledge is dispersed among ~320m citizens (in the U.S.) who each have particular wants and needs. And even if you could somehow attain that knowledge in one place, the likelihood of finding consensus on how a particular "social service" should be offered is next…

Because if you don't mandate insurance, then the entire system falls apart. Sick people need it, healthy people don't want to pay for it. You need everyone to pay to make it affordable.

Affordable for whom? It has become much less affordable for those who are healthy. How do you justify the healthy paying for the unhealthy?

And is it really affordable, even for the unhealthy?

Re: The Hidden Cost of Privatization

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Because if you don't mandate insurance, then the entire system falls apart. Sick people need it, healthy people don't want to pay for it. You need everyone to pay to make it affordable.

Affordable for whom? It has become much less affordable for those who are healthy. How do you justify the healthy paying for the unhealthy? And is it really affordable, even for the unhealthy?

> How do you justify the healthy paying for the unhealthy?

Because we live in a society, and in a society people help one another.

Re: The Hidden Cost of Privatization

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The problem in Keynes thinking on "social services" is that it's impossible to gather all of the knowledge necessary to ascertain what those would be. That knowledge is dispersed among ~320m citizens (in the U.S.) who each have particular wants and needs. And even if you could somehow attain that knowledge in one place, the likelihood of finding consensus on how a particular "social service" should be offered is next…

Why don't we just let individuals choose if they want to have car insurance? If they want it, they can have it - if they don't, they don't have to. The same (very good) reason we don't allow that is the reason we don't allow this: a lot of individual decisions have social costs.

What is the social cost of some not having car insurance?

Re: The Hidden Cost of Privatization

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There are many defensible arguments against government programs from across the social and political spectrums, but they don't come from the Heritage Foundation. They have a severe beyond reason bias against government.

Do you think Institute for New Economic Thinking, a think thank founded by George Soros, is any less biased?

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Re: The Hidden Cost of Privatization

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> They get amazing pay Who gets amazing pay? How much are we talking about? I don't know about the USA, but usually public employees don't earn that much (in exchange for high job security).

Employees of the big agencies in DC make very good money from what I know.

The absolute highest paid government workers make on par with what is typically claimed on HN to be average for an entry-level developer in SV. A typical mid-level government employee makes much, much less.

Re: The Hidden Cost of Privatization

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Why don't we just let individuals choose if they want to have car insurance? If they want it, they can have it - if they don't, they don't have to. The same (very good) reason we don't allow that is the reason we don't allow this: a lot of individual decisions have social costs.

What is the social cost of some not having car insurance?

They run over a pedestrian without insurance, now that pedestrian has no way to pay for their medical care.

Re: The Hidden Cost of Privatization

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The problem in Keynes thinking on "social services" is that it's impossible to gather all of the knowledge necessary to ascertain what those would be. That knowledge is dispersed among ~320m citizens (in the U.S.) who each have particular wants and needs. And even if you could somehow attain that knowledge in one place, the likelihood of finding consensus on how a particular "social service" should be offered is next…

> Nearly everyone disagrees with some of what government implements, which breeds resentment and causes gridlock much like we're seeing today in the U.S.

No, that's the electoral system; it's been empirically studied and established democracies with more proportional representation have much higher satisfaction with government than those like the US with poor proportionality, even though many of them also have much greater levels of public social support.

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